I have an idea for that stupid coffee brake funktion. Many strong riders can use these coffee brake, and then in the end of a ride, have a lot of power back to get the win. WHY is there not a point, where you NOT can use these. I think all riders can use coffee brake until they reach 2W/kg.
Zwift want to be realistic, but coffee brakes is not realistic, i’t stupid.
You can not use coffee breaks in a race, so it is not affecting wins.
the function is not stupid. And it is not available in races.
I don’t care what a rider can i races, it’s stupid that strong riders can use coffee braks to get in front, races ore not races.
It’s always a race, even if it isn’t officially a race.
All it takes is one person to wind up some power and off they go.
There are probably other things to look at, coffee breaks are okay as they are now.
Look at having automatic checks in place to prevent impossible weight reductions or dubious things like that, or at the very least flag them automatically and exclude the user from leaderboards/results until they can be verified.
this is a classic thinking error. the problem is not the machine. get fitter. you’ll feel better about many things including those things you have no control over.
Hard to feel better when you see a rider doing 5.1w/kg at 175w and 106bpm (seen today) doing more than 3000m+ in 3 hours. That continues to happen and no matter how many times people say “you’ll feel happier about it” - that’s not a good look for Zwift that this continues to happen for years and years.
If you are reasonably fit enough you can still ride away from them (and some of us do that), but it impacts a lot of events and races.
I hear you and agree. I’ve come in hot to the forum and had some needed reality checks by others in the past, including you! At the time, I was 
, with reflection, you and others have been correct. Thank you.
About it all? No.
About frustrations around pacing and ‘cheating’ and coffees, etc. - yes.
I think the delineation between ‘races’ and ‘free rides’ is difficult to define. For some every ride is a competition thus those metrics are important, for others it’s a whatever. I feel the latter is less vocal while the former are very vocal. This leads to ‘attention bias’ where those who complain the most get the most attention. The forum is full of complaints and issues. Not many show up saying this was an awesome zwift day and thanks. Some do…
tldr yeah. the game has some issues and managing expectations may help. remember: for some it’s a race. for some it’s a whatever. Zwift has opportunities for both riders. Choose wisely.
Group rides are not and never will be races in Zwift.
Group rides are not and never will be races in Zwift.
Group rides are not and never will be races in Zwift.
Group rides are not and never will be races in Zwift.
Group rides are not and never will be races in Zwift.
Group rides are not and never will be races in Zwift.
Group rides are not and never will be races in Zwift.
Group rides are not and never will be races in Zwift.
Group rides are not and never will be races in Zwift.
Group rides are not and never will be races in Zwift.
Its not stupid. The moment you see someone using coffee you should realise it is not a race but e group ride or event so finish position doesnt matter, nor that you are in front or not.
If you want it like you describe you should do an actual race where there are no coffee stops available.
It is not. Just that those thoughts live in the minds of some people doesnt make it a race.
Having a hard time not laughing my butt off with this topic. The folks that get this offended by coffee break are hilarious.
I was on Faster Masters a few weeks ago and forgot to swap my glasses to my gross pair, and used CB in the first 3 minutes. Someone absolutely flipped their lid that I was using a 30s “gain” so early on on a ride… oh man he got mad 
He finally calmed down when he realized I was one of like 3 people pulling the pack at the high speed that ride is after an hour.
Zwift doesnt want to be realistic.
Every event organizer has the ability to disable coffee breaks. If the owners of the faster masters event think it’s inappropriate, there is nothing stopping them from making it go away. If they don’t do that, then participants should expect it to be used and feel free to use it. Complaints about that should be feedback to the organizer, not abuse between riders.
Sometimes it is pretty hard though to find any contact info. I wish that would be made a bit easier.
There was a thread going round lately about people using coffee and teleport to “cheat” on pacer bots…
I Zwift daily, I know what goes on, I’ve seen it since CB was released, I get it, and being a lightweight I massively understand the complications of it and have stated my opinions on its issues because of such.
But the fact that people are STILL complaining???
CB has allowed me, and many others, to engage with zwift in meaningful ways. I am a long time zwifter, level 150something. I am not a racer. I mostly do group rides as I enjoy the engagement and challenges of the game in a group setting. I have no group allegiance and have ridden with many different groups over the years. CB has allowed me to be an engaged participant in those rides. I have medical issues (bike wreck) and being able to stay with the group using CB has made that possible and awesome. I am not the only one who uses CB for similar reasons.
If one were to believe the forum, the forum makes it sounds like if you use coffee break you’re nothing but a 40 kg cheater. Sigh. Grow up and look outside yourself for a change.
The change in how mileage, time, etc. accumulate during coffee break feels pejorative. Whatever. Zwift makes the rules and if you don’t like them there is MW. This feels like Zwift is kowtowing to a vocal minority. It’s a slippery slope. What’s next? Is coffee break going to go away?
I don’t think coffee break is going away and this change is only to handle real abuse, which is like people who teleport to a handful of different pacers and then do it once more and use the coffee break to make it longer. Those people are often not riding at all, they are “playing” Zwift without being on the bike. So I’m in favor of defeating that behavior. Almost everything else people refer to as abuse is not actually abuse, it’s just using the feature as intended. Doing a group ride and using all available coffee breaks whenever you want is not abuse.
