# Zwift UPG but lower average than winner? **URL:** \ **Category:** ZwiftPower Community\ **Created:** [May 5, 2021, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/zwift-upg-but-lower-average-than-winner/548810 "2021-05-05T12:42:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nick\_Jordan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/nick_jordan/32/394965_2.png) [@Nick\_Jordan](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Nick_Jordan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2021, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/zwift-upg-but-lower-average-than-winner/548810/1 "2021-05-05T12:42:59Z")
Hi all. I’ll apologise now if my question is just down to a lack of understanding or just general incompetence! Anyway, I did the ZHR Hare and hounds race earlier today in category C. My average power output was registered at 3.1wpk. I was listed as UPG which I believe means I need to enter Cat B. However, the C was listed as up to 3.2wpk and indeed the guy who was listed as the official winner had an average of 3.2wpk I may just be being thick, but am I missing something here. Obviously for future races I need to understand what’s happening. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Lee\_H](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/lee_h/32/502965_2.png) [@Lee\_H](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Lee_H)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2021, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/zwift-upg-but-lower-average-than-winner/548810/2 "2021-05-05T12:50:10Z")
> [@Nick\_Jordan](#): > > I’ll apologise now if my question is just down to a lack of understanding or just general incompetence! > Anyway, I did the ZHR Hare and hounds race earlier today in category C. > My average power output was registered at 3.1wpk. I was listed as UPG which I believe means I need to enter Cat B. > However, the C was listed as up to 3.2wpk and indeed the guy who was listed as the official winner had an average of 3.2wpk > > I may just be being thick, but am I missing something here. Obviously for future races I need to understand what’s happening. Future races you need to enter as a Cat B - As that is what you are currently classified as. To answer the specifics, (I think) you have not been DQ due to this performance, but you are a Cat B & entered the wrong category and therefore DQ’d for that. Your best 3 performances from the last 90 days show you at 3.26 So until your avg for the last 90 days is under 3.2 you will need to continue in B to not get DQ’d. ---
**Author:** ![Nick\_Jordan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/nick_jordan/32/394965_2.png) [@Nick\_Jordan](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Nick_Jordan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2021, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/zwift-upg-but-lower-average-than-winner/548810/3 "2021-05-05T12:57:28Z")
OK, that makes sense. Thank you ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Rowe1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/mike_rowe1/32/530428_2.png) [@Mike\_Rowe1](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Mike_Rowe1)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2021, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/zwift-upg-but-lower-average-than-winner/548810/4 "2021-05-05T13:59:56Z")
> [@Nick\_Jordan](#): > > the C was listed as up to 3.2wpk and indeed the guy who was listed as the official winner had an average of 3.2wpk You need to apply the 95% of 20 min rule, the winner was below the limit. ---
**Author:** ![Drew\_Johnston](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/drew_johnston/32/433276_2.png) [@Drew\_Johnston](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Drew_Johnston)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2021, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/zwift-upg-but-lower-average-than-winner/548810/5 "2021-05-06T08:13:19Z")
Further to what Lee says here, it is possible to have avg power in excess of the 3.2w/kg threshold and not be upgraded if you are especially light. The criteria for upgrade is **3.2** wkg and **200** w FTP . Eg a 49kg rider could be 4w/kg and not meet the upgrade criteria. ---
**Author:** ![Cees\_Snoek\_WTRL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/cees_snoek_wtrl/32/402890_2.png) [@Cees\_Snoek\_WTRL](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Cees_Snoek_WTRL)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/zwift-upg-but-lower-average-than-winner/548810/6 "2021-08-18T17:51:01Z")
Why do I get UPG for B group rides that state in the description that it is allows to join by all categories? Happed twice for haute route nation rides? Just would like to understand if I should not have joined this group ride? See haute route nation ride of august 18 on my zwiftpower profile ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Rowe1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/mike_rowe1/32/530428_2.png) [@Mike\_Rowe1](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Mike_Rowe1)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/zwift-upg-but-lower-average-than-winner/548810/7 "2021-08-18T17:59:28Z")
> [@Cees\_Snoek\_WTRL](#): > > Why do I get UPG for B group rides that state in the description that it is allows to join by all categories? because they set it up incorrectly on ZwiftPower, not your fault. ---
**Author:** ![Gerrie\_Delport\_ODZ](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/gerrie_delport_odz/32/437556_2.png) [@Gerrie\_Delport\_ODZ](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Gerrie_Delport_ODZ)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/zwift-upg-but-lower-average-than-winner/548810/8 "2021-08-18T18:00:16Z")
It look like the organizer did not set it up correctly. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/original/4X/b/1/5/b15e28233e6b07967a132497569d102d5983a50f.png) **EDIT** : What Mike said ^