And with the restriction, people let me are always going to try to race it to be the outlier.
Youāre aware of the conversation about modifiers and Zr.app above, yes?
Modifiers on the system you like - good.
Modifiers on a different system - bad
You need to do 3 more Tiny race and beat me!
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Modifying the system is different than forcing restrictions on the users themselves. ZR handles āoutliersā and edge cases like William and anyone else perfectly fine, while letting them do whatever races they want to. The system itself handles all of that while just letting the racers race. Thatās completely different from having to patch holes by restricting racers to only certain races so they donāt break a system.
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If the system only works, under IF, it isnāt good.
Thereās a difference between modifying the system to do the right thing based on a userās behavior, and trying to tell the user to modify their behavior itself, particularly if the behavior is completely reasonable.
I expect any solution will require special cases to handle edge cases, sandbagging etc. Thatās a lot of the iteration that is needed in these systems to become good, and why using a system that has done a lot of iteration is not a bad idea.
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But the modifiers are only there so they donāt break the system or over inflate the points and cause (drum roll please) points inflationā¦
Im not going to get into a circular arguement hereā¦ Try being a little more balanced in your feedback.
Again, im still not sure how I end up being the balance brigade supporting zwiftā¦ im out.
Um yes? Thatās exactly the goal? We want the system to be robust so that itās as accurate as possible for categorization and as simple to use as possible to the end user. We donāt want the system to break or have inflation. I donāt get what youāre trying to say here. Regardless of whatever categorization system you use, youāre gonna have to iterate on it to keep it robust, whether thatās with vELO or any other results-based system.
When u say fun I think you mean fair because ppl talk about sand baggersā¦.etc. if it was just fun you wouldnāt care if Joe sandbagger wins or notā¦but we feel that Joe shouldnāt beat me and steal my winning funā¦ā¦because he turned 10wkg+ on the final sprint while his max HR only hit 135bpmā¦.
So if it is just fun then, who really should care, itās not real racing but rather just a training tool that frankly removes a lot of the monotony from the grindā¦ā¦
I really donāt see the USADA knocking on Zwifters doors for a sample in a cupā¦ā¦so yea, just have fun and work within the system providedā¦
Interesting that you complain about the new system as broken by scoring you so high when you race a lot of āAā cat mini races to get your āDā cat score low which then ranks you as second for āDā cat overall and yet without those āAā cat races you would not be able to achieve that!
We were in a recent āDā cat race and you lost the lead group, so you dropped from the raceā¦ it could have been a tech issue or important call butā¦??
Maybe the solution then is that you(us/we) only acquire and lose points while racing in our assigned category?
At least this way getting a boosted score by racing higher cats is negatedā¦
I think the Zwift mindset for it all, is that the cream will float to the top and the ā¦. will sink down and ultimately self correct over time. 
You know that is not what I meant.
We all know there is plenty of top A and B riders on Zwift that doesnāt even have one KOM or top 10 on Strava.
We want a system that is fun (letās say competitive) where people can compete even if the power meters is not all 100% accurate. As long as people are classified into the correct category then we can have a good race.
If you are looking for 100% accuracy and zero chances of cheating then you are on the wrong planet.
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100% not needed and I personally donāt mind whatever system they have because it really is about just getting my Cardio in!! 
How would this work? I am Cat D and won a C race? How about mix Cat race? Like TFC that includes C and Ds together? Or Herd Summer series that use 5 min compound score?
Full disclosure, havenāt read all the posts here. But, first step TODAY (or even last month) that could have been taken, is making each race just a single CAT, split into 4 pens. I understand this is doable now with Zwift, yet none of the organizers (except the herD Beginner race series) have been doing this.
Why? So one race organizer could put 4 events on the calendar at eg. 10am. A split cat, B split cat, C split cat, D split cat. 16 Pens across 4 Cats available but I donāt see anyone doing this.
This is devolving to the point it is almost as futile as expecting fair racing on zwift. The average race attendance outside of the OG series today was around 14 people across 4 cats. OG series is 40-180 (for the streamed).
Whatās a bigger issue, the specifics of the cat system or the fact that most races are empty. William isnāt actually an outlier at this point. If he races D heās probably half the finishers.
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Cause most of the races have 10 to 20 riders in 4 categories combined at the moment.
With 16 Pens you need at least 20 riders per pen to make it somehow interesting.
Races are empty just now because itās summer int he northern hemisphere.
Your consistency in always coming 6th is admirable.
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Thatās because the keys points have been made in this thread, and now itās just an opportunity for the Devilās advocates to stir some irrelevant debate.
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