# Watopia "Ultra" Pretzel **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests\ **Created:** [May 30, 2023, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485 "2023-05-30T12:55:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![David\_Coyle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/david_coyle/32/19143_2.png) [@David\_Coyle](https://forums.zwift.com/u/David_Coyle)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2023, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/1 "2023-05-30T12:55:24Z")
I rather like the challenge of the big routes…the Uber Pretzel is great but is missing some sections of the map as i guess the course was designed before some of the map was expanded…ie, titans Grove isnt included. Can we get an “Ultra” course that takes in every single inch of the Watopia? So… Titans Grove KOM forward and reverse. Volcano Epic KOM forward and reverse Alpe Du Zwift etc etc All roads, all climbs forward and reverse…basically make it as long and with as much elevation gain as possible ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Rowe1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/mike_rowe1/32/530428_2.png) [@Mike\_Rowe1](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Mike_Rowe1)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2023, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/2 "2023-05-30T13:04:15Z")
another route badge I’ll never get 🤮 🤮 ---
**Author:** ![James\_Zwift](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/james_zwift/32/467851_2.png) [@James\_Zwift](https://forums.zwift.com/u/James_Zwift)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2023, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/3 "2023-05-30T14:21:36Z")
Go and do this and I’ll give you a prize. > **[Rebel Routes: KOMonster](https://zwiftinsider.com/komonster/)** > > Every Watopian KOM, plus a metric century. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Southworth](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/paul_southworth/32/538336_2.png) [@Paul\_Southworth](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Paul_Southworth)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2023, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/4 "2023-05-30T14:53:05Z")
A Makuri Pretzel would be much more useful than another Watopia Pretzel. It’s what that world needs. ---
**Author:** ![Otto\_Destruct](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/otto_destruct/32/505718_2.png) [@Otto\_Destruct](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Otto_Destruct)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2023, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/5 "2023-05-30T15:51:57Z")
> [@James\_Zwift](#): > > Go and do [this](https://zwiftinsider.com/komonster/) and I’ll give you a prize. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/original/4X/5/b/3/5b376a3f3ba7cb38176d5c7b52897ad5e826635e.png) EDIT - more seriously, **gamification works on me**. I skipped “La Reine” until it had a badge - having proof of completion has value, and bragging rights. ---
**Author:** ![illyanadmc](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/illyanadmc/32/438964_2.png) [@illyanadmc](https://forums.zwift.com/u/illyanadmc)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2023, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/6 "2023-05-30T16:09:06Z")
@James_Zwift I’ve _almost_ done this - not the actual rebel route, but my own DIY version. I did miss SB Titan’s Grove, but I did the Radio Tower twice, which I think more than makes up for that. ![Zwift](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/original/4X/0/7/3/073860346881b7b063e621357af85982861a4626.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![James\_Zwift](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/james_zwift/32/467851_2.png) [@James\_Zwift](https://forums.zwift.com/u/James_Zwift)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2023, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/7 "2023-05-30T16:10:44Z")
That does look pretty miserable. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Rowe1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/mike_rowe1/32/530428_2.png) [@Mike\_Rowe1](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Mike_Rowe1)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2023, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/8 "2023-05-31T01:45:22Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/original/4X/6/5/6/6569bd299c89dd362fedefcd716b08620131a331.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Chris\_Holton](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/chris_holton/32/506684_2.png) [@Chris\_Holton](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Chris_Holton)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2023, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/9 "2023-05-31T10:39:38Z")
not anywhere near the mileage but richmond is crying out for a pretzel or figure of 8 route and Paris could easily be a mini pretzel to make it more than a sub 20 min route ---
**Author:** ![Chris\_D9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/chris_d9/32/541335_2.png) [@Chris\_D9](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Chris_D9)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2023, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/10 "2023-05-31T12:24:46Z")
Another reasonable route, while not huge starts at the desert starting point of Tempus Fugit, but continues straight ahead at LAX up the hill, then heads for epic KOM and over the top of that, then back downhill and down to the volcano flat section and back through downtown to start of Tempus again. 40.4km and 546m elevation. It is a nice varied loop. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Cl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/steve_cl/32/19534_2.png) [@Steve\_Cl](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Steve_Cl)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/11 "2023-05-31T13:43:57Z")
The latest RoadCaptain release allows custom routes to be shared with others, according to the update posted in the last 24 hours. ---
**Author:** ![Rhino-Racing](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/rhino-racing/32/538814_2.png) [@Rhino-Racing](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Rhino-Racing)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2023, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/12 "2023-05-31T14:24:27Z")
saw that looks great just dying for that sort of functionality to be included in game. would really open up new options for organisers to make races more interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Kirk\_Schroeder](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/kirk_schroeder/32/445339_2.png) [@Kirk\_Schroeder](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Kirk_Schroeder)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2023, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/13 "2023-06-11T00:02:07Z")
How about when the climb portal gets released we could do all the KOM’s, bypasses, circuits, and flats! ---
**Author:** ![James\_Zwift](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/james_zwift/32/467851_2.png) [@James\_Zwift](https://forums.zwift.com/u/James_Zwift)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/14 "2023-06-12T08:17:56Z")
I don’t think that the climb portal is what you expect it to be. ---
**Author:** ![Chris\_Holton](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/chris_holton/32/506684_2.png) [@Chris\_Holton](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Chris_Holton)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/15 "2023-06-12T11:26:13Z")
i think the word portal is making people think it will transport you somewhere that already exists in the game. My understanding is that you enter somewhere that is based on a real life climb but won’t look like it. What is behind the portal will change to different climbs a little like world rotations do. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Zwift](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/james_zwift/32/467851_2.png) [@James\_Zwift](https://forums.zwift.com/u/James_Zwift)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/16 "2023-06-12T11:35:38Z")
Yeah, pretty accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Chris\_Holton](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/chris_holton/32/506684_2.png) [@Chris\_Holton](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Chris_Holton)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/17 "2023-06-12T11:38:02Z")
not bad for a monday! ---
**Author:** ![Kirk\_Schroeder](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/kirk_schroeder/32/445339_2.png) [@Kirk\_Schroeder](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Kirk_Schroeder)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/18 "2023-06-12T13:51:31Z")
What I’m saying is that we could do some roads in Watopia, go through the portal (whatever road it will be even though it may change the next day), and do some other roads in Watopia and this would get me all the Watopian roads including the climb portal. What I’m saying is that won’t it be part of Watopia or France? Also if there’s a bridge from the summit of the portal to the summit of ADZ or Mt. Vontoux, that would save some time and miles instead of having to climb the ADZ or Mt. Vontoux as well by going all the way around, to the volcano, and up the portal. ---
**Author:** ![Otto\_Destruct](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/otto_destruct/32/505718_2.png) [@Otto\_Destruct](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Otto_Destruct)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/watopia-ultra-pretzel/607485/19 "2023-06-12T20:58:58Z")
Yeah, I gleaned that from some of the speculation (leaks?) floating around a while ago. If people haven’t looked at other platforms, Peloton offers some good examples of gamifying fitness like “Lanebreak”. It’s not realistic in terms of “world graphics” but you get lost in it trying to hit targets. I feel like it’s a smart move by Zwift to try stuff like the Climb Portal - effectively “mini-games” within the larger Zwift ecosystem. (ditto “Repack Rush” with Mario Kart-like mechanics)