Nice try, Raymond. I am assuming you are wanting to ‘bait’ people.
But what I really find cumbersome is the theory of limiting you have. How about taking expanding as your framework for thought? So instead of wanting to egalize the playing field by suggesting nobody should be having any markers like ‘male’ or ‘female’ which is the strategy of taking away, why don’t you ask for expanding? Ask for having all accepted, womens with trans, trans only, people in transition only races-I assume that the taking of hormones does weird things to one’s FTP!- men with trans, gay races, straight races, and whatever else is possible (smokers’ races!!) ON TOP of the women’s only and men’s only events that are there now. THEN you have egalized the field, everybody has an event to look forward to. You have expanded instead of shrunk.
I think that is a better way of looking at it.
I assume you post this in answer to the “Pride on, really?” Thread that was posted a day or so ago and is now -regretfully- closed. The fact that this thread went the way it went, shows clearly that this pride week thingie is still (regretfully!) needed. The discussion needs to rage on a while, people need to think about it still.
Do remember, sexuality is not gender
Gender is not sexuality. These are two different things.
People who want to identify differently either no longer want to be restricted in the two single categories that humans have used up until now, or want to be free to change from the one to the other without being radicalized, marginalized, harassed or killed for wishing to do so.
Note that this has to do with ‘identity’ not biology. (Hence the word “identify”) Sexuality is then another matter that comes on top of that.
Since sport has massively to do with biology, the stratifying in men and women in sport is borne from biology. The making of special events, for women, for non whites, for queers, for trans, for carpenters, for Dutch only (should we eradicate those too?) is based on identity. Different thing. All should be possible.
Remember: EXPAND instead of restrict. In other words: include.
In the pride on thread the position was discussed that people feel a business should not make such choices since they, the subscribers would have to then see such a thing. I roll my eyes at that point, but it is a valid point. But just like you are free to do as you wish, to subscribe, to not subscribe, to petition, or to avoid identity questions, it is Zwift’s freedom as a business, to decide to do a whichever kind of event they want to do, petitioned or not. That is their prerogative, the freedom they have to make choices just like you have your freedom to make choices.
PS: ■■■■ sapiens is a political beast. In order to avoid politics one needs to go live in a human-less place somewhere (yes, as soon as there are more then two humans in a space, there will be politics)
As a Dutch person (it is indeed part of my identity, though highly malleable) I can only add this as a last remark;
Joh, ga toch lekker fietsen!