I would expect it within the next 24 hours. I’ve just sent a list of the impacted events to our crediting team.
Based on early feedback to the faster experience on Gravel Mountain, we’ve decided to make make route changes for Stages 1 and 4. There will be a more detailed update coming shortly.
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Thank you, @James_Zwift
And welcome back to the forums. Glad to see you posting here again.
I had no issues with the new route and race OTHER than,..
Speed out of the pens felt like it was a banded ride until it stretched out after about 600m.
Steering slow and none responsive on some parts of the route.
I always got steered to the left on one part of the route going downhill.
ZRS sucks balls, the last place finisher 53rd Torujillo sandbagged and stopped 200m before the finish. I lapped them twice, and finished 37th, my ZRS score went down 1, and theirs went down 28.
Visually, the setting of stage 1 is a pleasant change for me in the sandstone landscape with rolling hills and winding route, but it was the racing that felt weird.
I meant to have a quick recce of stage 1 before the race, but it never happened.
Usually the “ faster experience “ is just me pedaling angry style.
Thanks
Agree, really gorgeous stage. Such a pleasant change from the other Zwift worlds. Shows you how much potential the engine has for future expansion.
It looks like Stage 1 has switched to Jungle Circuit.
And stage 4 to serpentine 8, no more gravel mountain. Wonder if it will ever come back?
Yep - gravel mountain has gone replaced with a jungle race. I’m still not credited for my first run on it. I’d actually booked my place for a re-run on it on Thursday morning! Apart from the obvious things like no place info, I enjoyed it even if it was a bit manic! I didn’t get any of the weird shaking I saw on some recordings of higher level races though. Be a shame to lose it entirely. Just needs fixing!
Haven’t ridden it, but watching stream,s the rider jitter makes me a little sick. Literally.
Stage 1 and 4 routes have been changed… I updated the Zwift Insider Pas Racing Series post just now: Pas Racing Series Announced: New Gravel, New Bikes, New Unlocks! | Zwift Insider
@Chris_Owen I agree, and I hope it gets fixed. I raced it yesterday and because I’d read this thread beforehand I was prepared for the sped-up aspect of it, so I ended up having a lot of fun (placements had been fixed by the time I raced, which was nice). I do hope that once its fixed it’s not quite as sped-up, though, because it was a tad excessive (and it made the ride I did with Jacques back in Watopia immediately afterward feel sooooooo slow in comparison).
FWIW, I’m still not credited for the race I did yesterday, either.
Yeah I think it’s a glitch, reported this morning along with the status indicating 0 of 4 completed.
Hey Zwifters,
As James mentioned, we’ve changed out the routes for PAS stages from Gravel Mtn as we address the issues some experienced. Crediting for Stage 1 completion is being handled as well and all should see credit for completion by EOD today.
W/r to Gravel Mountain: The ‘issues’ were especially notable for high powered, non-steering paired users on specific refresh rate devices…ultimately this led to a few people having a very bad experience with camera swaying and some on-screen jitters. The rest of us had the desired (sped up gravel) experience we were shooting for. We did test this on several occasions internally but missed testing in the high-speed, large packs that were apparent during the first events. Yep, obvious in hindsight, but here we are and we’ve adjusted the events.
Gravel Mtn WILL be back soon and tuned via additional testing. There’s something to the feeling of speed that we’re all quite excited about and we will dial this in. We definitely want to be trying new, fun things out but we missed the mark on the quality that we strive to deliver.
Thanks as always for the commentary and reporting here. It’s super appreciated and valued by our team.
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I’m not as critical of the sped up gravel experience as some others here but I definitely felt like it needs the ability to fling some turtle shells or something. In its present state it seems like a solution to the wrong problem (far too high Crr compared to the faster kinds of real-world gravel).
If Zwift is after a sped up experience then that can be achieved through good course design. One of the things I noticed with the Gravel Mountain stage is how incredibly wide the road was. Narrower roads, tighter corners, shorter straights would all improve the perception of speed without the need to artificially boost it.
It’s a dangerous road you are going down Zwift (which started with the accelerated subway exits in New York). If people get used to double speed races then riding at normal speeds will start to seem slow and boring. Power creep is a thing in games and needs to be carefully managed less you stuff it up completely.
Just play Mario Kart for that.
I could understand swapping out stage 4 for something else, it’s ~2.5 weeks away.
But swapping out stage 1?
Yesterday’s effort on the first running of stage 1 was a massive effort for me and I’m sure for some others, right at my current FTP estimate and setting a recent best LTHR estimate, despite the race weirdness.
I’m pretty fatigued today and I’ve just come back off a ~90min recovery gravel ebike ride (on tarmac lanes) where I averaged just under 15.8mph with lots of 150/250W assist up to the UK legal motor cutoff of ~15.5mph.
Tomorrow’s ride will be another recovery ebike ride day with lots of assist in the UK heatwave, possibly even Thursday too.
By swapping out stage 1, others and myself now have to try and sensibly decide whether to do the new stage 1 route later this week or do what race/TT we had scheduled, for me it would usually be the Tiny Races on Saturday. A third racing day this week, especially given my recent health in February and March, is asking for trouble.
Surely most people wanting to do the Pas Racing gravel series have raced Red Rocks Loop stage 1 by now!
Based on the way things went, maybe Zwift should cinsider having test events instead of dropping new routes into race schedules. At least then they would get this feedback before points races are run.