New settings for Elite Novo Force

HI, elite didnt change anything, I use also trainerroad, and the readings are better, do you have the powercurve of the trainer? I can send you the excel file, to see the estimate watts given by elite.

I use elite on level 5 and zwift in 3. When i choose other trainer’s my watts are 3 times lower

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if you have the excel file it would be really beneficial. Can you send it to me on my gmail.com address (mauro.carobene@) thanks a lot

Like Sasa, I use my novo force level 5 (considering going to 6) and I think that the watts are “closer to the truth” this way : this feeling is based on rides with friends who have smart trainers.
I’d like to be able to rent a real powermeter to make a comparison/calibration by myself…

Hi @Katy_Walker,
just one question. Even if you’re using speed and cadence sensors, the power detected by Zwift still depends on the manual resistance level (1-8) of you trainer, right? Which value did you choose?

Thanks, bye!

Hi @Andrea_Matera

Welcome to the forum.

when selecting your trainer Zwift will indicate what setting to use.

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Thank you @Gerrie_Delport

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Hello, I changed my Misuro B+ to position 14 and using the manual level in the trainer to 3 and it seems is more realistic comparing with the Elite trainner Mobile Application, Zwift appears to works well. You know if you are climbing it is not real the watts that you are applying. It should good to change the level and the curve manually in Zwift as it has in teh Elite application to be more realistic.

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Hi @Andrea_Matera,
Same question here as I have a 8 levels Novo Mag force and I use a speed and cadence sensor. Level 3 for me definitely overestimates my power. I think 4 is more realistic. Looks like Zwift implemented the level 3 power curve for the 5 levels Novo Mag Force, but didn’t implement any power curve for the 8 levels model🤔… So for now I use level 4/8 on my trainer.

If anyone knows better I’d be more than happy to hear :+1:

FYI another conversation on the topic:

Hi @Zhong_Lin,
actually I’m using the misuro b with the Elite Novo Force 8. Unfortunately, the only reference I have for comparison is the mobile app by Elite MyETraining. I compared the output power values of the MyETraining app (setting the misuro b on 1 blink) with the output of Zwift (setting the misuro b on 7 blinks, 94mm, and adding the sensor as power sensor). I did this comparison for different resistance levels of the trainer and the one for which the values of MyETraining and Zwift are the most similar seems to me the resistance level 3. If I set the resistance level 4, Zwift gives me about 50-70 W less than the app by Elite…

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Hi @Andrea_Matera,
That’s super helpful, especially as I have no reference and not using the Misuro! Thanks for sharing your “study”!! :+1:
So maybe I’m simply 50-70W stronger than I think I am :grin:

Hi @Zhong_Lin,
Well it is also quite likely that the MyETraining app is giving too high values… actually I have no idea since, as I said, that app has been my only power reference for the last 3 years :frowning: . Do you also have that app? ‘cos in that case you could try to do the same test just to cross-check…

Anyway, I’ve been regularly riding mountain bike for the last 3 years (approx 50 km/week, yearly average). I don’t have much time so my training are usually short but intense. I did the FTP test yesterday (I almost died) and I got 240W… honestly I’ve no idea if that’s a reasonable number

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Haha my hopes of being stronger than I thought just vanished then😅.

Unfortunately I don’t have the Misuro, so cannot do the same test… Last year I went to trainings at the gym with bikes with power meters (oh, lovely era before Corona), and I estimated my FTP at 220, which is what I have now on Zwift with the trainer at 4/8. For now I’ll keep it as a reference and work from there, the importance is the relative improvement although the true numbers might not be exact without investing in a “proper” trainer :+1: Thanks again for sharing Andrea! Ride on everyone

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ahhh sorry, I misread your previous mail! I thought you had Misuro. Anyway, see you on Zwift, bye!!!

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Hi Guys,
based on some plots available in internet, I’ve compared speed/watts plot for 8 and 5 level Elite trainers. If your suspicions are correct, we should use 5/8 resistance using an 8-level elite trainer.
Below graph with all 8 level curves for 8 level elite trainer and yellow “X”'s for 3/5 resistance. It looks like correct resistance is somewhere between 5/6 but in 150 - 400 watts range it’s quite well fit for 5/8 curve

Below table with comparison of watts per each 8 levels and 3/5 level just to show how much using zwift recommendation 3/8 could be distorted.

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@Bambo_W, this is some proper benchmarking, thank you for putting this together! This Zwift community amazes me.

I’ll use 5/8 from now, although I think I just lost 30w of FTP. At least it keeps me honest and I prefer having a good surprise once on the real roads :wink:

Ride on everyone!

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Hi to all, same here, have Elite Novo Force with speed and cadence sensor and after a couple of weeks in Zwift my FTP is 362w with 5 w/kg. Definitively too high. I’ll try with 5/8. Thanks

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Hey guys, has anyone investigated this a little bit further? I’ve been playing as well with different settings on the Elite Novo Force.

I did a test by programming the power curve at 3/8 into my Suunto watch in order to generate the wattage, and by running it in parallel with Zwift the given wattage was exactly the same as the one from Zwift. Therefore, I’m pretty sure that Zwift is using the power curve 3/8.

Then, maybe the power curve given by Elite is too optimistic, but it is what it is. I did again an FTP test this morning with the 5/8 setting and it was pretty brutal. I only averaged 2.2 W/K on a 20 min test. I’m not an extremely well trained guy, but I’d say I’m quite fit, so maybe my perception of wattage is completely off. Based on feeling, the most “real” setting to me is 4/8.

Any thoughts on this?

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Hi Jordi, i agree with you, after few days i am pretty sure that 5/8 is not the correct settings, i have compared zwift data with my strava real routes.

With 3/8 my FTP is 360 (20 mins), now with 4/8 setting is 280. I’im waiting for my new kickr core (it will arrive in the first days of May) so i can provide you more information comparing these results with the kickr power meter.

I think that the correct setting is something between 3 and 4, let me say “3.5”.

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Hi Guido, yeah, I kinda agree with you. I redid an FTP test (ugghhh) with the 4/8 setting and it went up to 200 W, which is around 2.77 W/kg. No idea if this is realistic or not, but the actual speed in Zwift felt more real, as well as the effort.

I’m curious to know your feedback once you perform the test with the kickr core. Keep me posted please!

Grazie!

Jordi

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