Of course…but fewer drops. Need millions to upgrade the Tron…
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waste of time IMO
Not much is a waste of time…after all…why get on a bike if I am going to die anyway?
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Then you don’t need to be in this forum post discussing robopacers on newer routes either; as that’s the topic at hand, not free riding wherever you wish.
Here’s a graph with Yumi last night; it’s like riding alongside someone on a single speed with the tiny gradient adjustments going from 3-0-4-0-2-0-3-0 etc. etc. etc.
The point of my response is to make a point that the effort changes on some of these route choices simply does not work.
Nobody that I’ve ever seen riding outdoors increases power almost 0.5w/kg just because they’re riding over something that resembles a speedbump. That’s absurd… again, maybe for someone on a single speed that is forced to come off the power or massively ramp cadence.
Is this issue I’m talking about specific to this route? Maybe?
Point is, it still can affect everything in the future because of this choice in programming, which is all I’m trying to point out.
Most people don’t just ease off the power because the ground flattens out for 2 meters… that’s all I’m saying.
As an aside response to David on going through Titans: it’s important to note that the power increases are percentage based, not a equal watt increase.
Maria flat = 165w / 2.2 6%climb = 181w / 2.4 = +16w
Constance flat = 315w / 4.2 6%climb = 347w / 4.6 = +32w
Epic reverse is near that 6% average for mindset.
What does that really mean in the grand scheme of these rolling routes?
It means when descending something like Epic Reverse, Maria would only do 101w, Constance meanwhile drops down to 187 watts!!!
That’s HUGE!
Again, I repeat myself: Nobody in the world rides like this except maybe somebody on a single speed.
No normal person in a repeat situation as I said earlier, would go from 190w on a descent, to 350 watts on something as small as a speedbump!!!
Which is exactly what these bots are doing, and is the major headache.
It’s actually made worse as Ian also shared a picture of what Zwift shows as the route profile:
Meanwhile:
Every one of those yellow to green sections are power fluctuations, and in the case of my argument, what I’m referring to as “speed bumps”, as they’re very short, some in the realm of just a few meters long, before climbing for a few meters.
I say again, is this just a route specific problem? Maybe! BUT… it’s going to come back to be a problem at some point either way.
Anyone riding a pace partner can free-ride a route with or without variation in power can also get that without a pace partner - of course, but some prefer to be with a group which is what the pace partner offers (an always available group ride - rather than riding tempus as a free-ride, or waiting for an organized group ride).
For the folks who complain about dynamic pacing the issue is… they find some value in the ‘always available group ride’ but would prefer it to have less variability. Depending on your weight in comparison to the pace partner you might have more or less variability. If you’re 100kg the variability on climbs vs. descents is pretty substantial for example.
So, when someone asks “Hey, I love this always available group ride, but it would be nice if there wasn’t so much variability”, an all caps post telling them to ride tempus fugit isn’t that helpful.
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I was riding 6Gap in North Georgia a few years ago, in a group of about 60 people, on every little downhill in first 20 miles (before the big hills), one rider would do an aero tuck on the top tube. Every. Single. Time.
My point is - there is always at least one . . .
“the topic” if you haven’t seen it already
It’s pretty variable for light folks as well who on climbs (like on Sugar Cookie route previously with Constance group) might be having to do well over 5w/kg going up to and over the big bridge leading to Epic KOM to avoid getting dropped. Constance not only surged to 4.6w/kg but would get the draft too.
I cannot take video to prove this as the robopacer isn’t on that route anymore, so just have to take my word for it. You would see some people just not bother and they’d drop back to 3.5w/kg and teleport to the group once the crazy pace slowed down.
The static robopacers (and the lighter ones also requested) are most unlikely to ever come back so those two topics might as well be closed to avoid people getting their hopes up. 
I warned you it was an unpopular opinion 
I rode with Maria for a bit tonight in Neokyo on sleepless city, it is nice and flat, very even pace. Yesterday I did sand and Sequoias with the group and it was a different experience. I like having the options for different types of pacer bot rides.
Hopefully they make even more options, something for everyone. But if all the bots end up doing laps on temps fugit, that will be boring af.
Having all robopacers together on Tempus fugit might be boring, but it’s better from the social aspect of Zwift. 
Until everyone tries to escape the inevitable traffic jam.
Conga line!
Still don’t understand it.
The pacer increases power going uphill and decreases power going downhill, relative to the power they do on flat roads.
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Okay, this is in line with my increased pain on uphill sections.