How is expecting fairness and honesty and people to stop cheating “petty jealousy”.
That’s not right and it is an insult to all those people who are doing the right thing.
The dropping and cheating can be stopped very quickly with some simple changes. That will put an end to this once and for all. It must be done.
Two patches in now and you can assume it’s either delayed enforcement or regulated by having to earn drops.
Time to move on
Four isnt it ?
Patch it came out with.
Patch where the fixed the TT bug.
Patch three weeks ago
This weeks patch.
So we are 4 patches down and almost 8 weeks into this. So pretty safe to say Zwift doesnt see this as cheating.
No matter how we all think about this it might be good to move on. After all, we all have a level 5 by now.
Or if you really disagree just cancel your Zwift membership and make sure to let them know why. If you get thousands likeminded to do the same you might get some attention.
If you give in to hacks and cheating, then you may as well forget about fairness in racing as well.
Because that will be the next thing they’ll start finding loopholes and hacks to succeed at. I mean they already are finding those - it’ll just get worse.
But hey, at least you got your halo bikes without raising a sweat. Bravo.
Zwift know and don’t care.
You can carry on posting your complaints and examples on here, to be read by the same handful of folk, as some sort of catharsis, struggle on while silently seething, or accept that Zwift don’t have the same values as you (or I) do and move onto another platform.
Out of interest, what sort of race “hacks” are in play?
I predict a nerfing of the Halo bikes in due course.
Yes. That quote was about time trial bike upgrades in particular.
That loophole has been closed.
I finally found out that I’m shallow.
Thanks for that.
That’s what you seem to be missing. People already cheat in races in much more impactful ways, so focusing on those things is more important than this marginal benefit.
I wonder if the Pina is meant to be as far ahead as it is… but I don’t see the others being nerfed. “Situational best but generally fast” isn’t game breaking
I do think they need a little nerf. I know Zwifterbikes isnt 100% accurate but I just looked at every France route :
On 17 routes the 3 Halo road bikes (Specialized, Cannondale, Tron) are by far the better choice.
On the 3 climb routes they are not.
Guess that will transfer the same to other worlds.
In my perfect world they should be a nice reward for the effort put in, but they should not be the fastest out there. Make them like the 5th best bike there is, but always have a normal frame outperforming them but still usefull if you want to ride them in a race.
The hardest to get (however you get it) should probably be the best.
The show off you got it should be enough. It should be good but not the best imho.
I’m still sticking with jealousy and perhaps envy and coveting.
If you haven’t gone the routes that I described above, you’re wasting your time I feel.
Also, there isn’t a ‘magic’ button to stop dropping benefits. It’s much more complicated than you realize.
tbf racing has never been fair, look at the cam jeffers ban because at the time the tron bike was the fastest frame around and newer users wouldn’t have had it against longer time users, the use of powerups in races, that’s before you even get to the weight dopers/power meter hacks etc
Dont forget the ever difference there is between level 40+ riders and everyone below that.
Back to the subject at hand again:
I decided to go for Tron first. 3 entry-level bikes - I’m doing the Zwift TT, Zwift Steel & BMX. I’m a BMX guy, I like riding the BMX bike for easy rides anyway, technically it would be slightly faster to do the Zwift Carbon instead of the BMX.
My end-goal is to have upgraded Tron & Aethos for racing. I’ve been riding both the SL8 and the Aethos a little bit when appropriate, but mostly working on the Zwift bikes. Not sure what to do for a TT bike yet.
I resent the implicit accusation. Aamof, I’m sick of it! Wake up. Stop whining. There will be cheaters. There might be ways to mitigate that, but HR monitorsaren’t one of them.
I ride w/o a heart rate monitor. I AM NOT CHEATING! I simply choose not to share my sensitive health information with the internet. Well, that and I got tired of replacing my not so inexpensive HR (and cadence) sensors every couple of months. WTF?
How in the world did the idea get started that not publishing HR data amounts to cheating??? A 300 pound couch potato, weight doping to 50Kg and zwifting on an ebike will still have a heart beat (until he keels over from a heart attack, anyway 
). Worried about bots? Someone above pointed out that HR and cadence can be faked, also.
Do you think you can look at someone’s HR (and watts) and tell if they are cheating? That’s a VERY slippery slope. HR is personal. Some healthy people’s resting HRs are half as much as others. Similar, when they are working.
As for the harm, here’s a thought: suppose you are applying for a job, or have a job, where the boss is worried about the company’s group health insurance premium. He looks at your Zwift activities and includes that you are risking a heart attack three times a week. He won’t tell you why you didn’t get hired (or why you were fired).
Note that the boss do
Not according to any Garmin device I’ve ever owned 