# More FLAT routes, please **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests\ **Created:** [October 26, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022 "2018-10-26T19:28:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gru](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/gru/32/437546_2.png) [@Gru](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Gru)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/42 "2019-02-25T15:49:40Z")
Jon Mayfield also mentioned it in his “Where is Map Choice” article. [https://zwift.com/news/9309-mapchoice](https://zwift.com/news/9309-mapchoice) “Watopia has been continuously built out with many routes to become a main hub world (and, spoiler alert, it has a mostly flat expansion coming this winter).” Although _“mostly flat”_ doesn’t fill me with confidence that it’s not going to have a climb in it. ---
**Author:** ![Daren](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/daren/32/5836_2.png) [@Daren](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Daren)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/43 "2019-02-25T15:58:30Z")
> [@Gru](#): > > Although _“mostly flat”_ doesn’t fill me with confidence that it’s not going to have a climb in it. But “mostly flat” could also just mean “not absolutely flat”. Apart from the much asked for, but poo-pooed by Zwift Velodrome idea, does anyone actually want a long route that 0% the _whole_ time? Even you said “nothing steeper than 2%”, which to me would come under mostly flat. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Griscom](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/david_griscom/32/32227_2.png) [@David\_Griscom](https://forums.zwift.com/u/David_Griscom)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/44 "2019-02-25T16:06:23Z")
winter is over in less than a month (for northern hemisphere) so they better get cracking ---
**Author:** ![MikeBikes66](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/mikebikes66/32/431011_2.png) [@MikeBikes66](https://forums.zwift.com/u/MikeBikes66)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/45 "2019-02-25T16:26:40Z")
And if it’s 28 miles long it will basically have to be a circular route around the whole of watopia on/through the ocean. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Allen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/paul_allen/32/414916_2.png) [@Paul\_Allen](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Paul_Allen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/46 "2019-02-25T16:32:29Z")
What’s wrong with that? ---
**Author:** ![MikeBikes66](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/mikebikes66/32/431011_2.png) [@MikeBikes66](https://forums.zwift.com/u/MikeBikes66)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/47 "2019-02-25T16:48:52Z")
Can’t imagine the view would be great, but each to their own. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Allen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/paul_allen/32/414916_2.png) [@Paul\_Allen](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Paul_Allen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/48 "2019-02-25T16:52:19Z")
I am sure Zwift would make it more enjoyable. I don’t see why so a vocal few are so against Zwift implementing a flat route. We are not asking for any climbs to be eliminated, just a long flat route added. I am sure it would be one of the most popular routes on Zwift given how busy all the other “flattish” routes are. ---
**Author:** ![Daren](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/daren/32/5836_2.png) [@Daren](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Daren)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/49 "2019-02-25T17:01:35Z")
> [@MikeBikes66](#): > > Can’t imagine the view would be great, but each to their own. Like I said, tropical savannah. > [@Future Courses/ Islands](https://forums.zwift.com/t/future-courses-islands/13117/7): > > I don’t really think there are any routes I’d specifically want. Two year ago I would have said a long climb, but we’ve got one now and I’m not fussed about another. I prefer routes with more vegetation and natural environments, rather than built-up areas. So city routes are out for me. Rather tha… Think Serengeti. We can have prowling lions and herds of wildebeest to look at. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MikeBikes66](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/mikebikes66/32/431011_2.png) [@MikeBikes66](https://forums.zwift.com/u/MikeBikes66)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/50 "2019-02-25T17:11:25Z")
Or be chased by! ---
**Author:** ![MikeBikes66](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/mikebikes66/32/431011_2.png) [@MikeBikes66](https://forums.zwift.com/u/MikeBikes66)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/51 "2019-02-25T17:12:22Z")
I’m not against it in principle. I just think there are pretty credible alternatives and I’d like to see some of the more fundamental issues addressed first. ---
**Author:** ![Daren](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/daren/32/5836_2.png) [@Daren](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Daren)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/52 "2019-02-25T17:17:51Z")
Incentives! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Allen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/paul_allen/32/414916_2.png) [@Paul\_Allen](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Paul_Allen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/53 "2019-02-25T17:18:17Z")
> [@MikeBikes66](#): > > I’m not against it in principle. I just think there are pretty credible alternatives and I’d like to see some of the more fundamental issues addressed first. Make sure you vote those up in any existing request. Making a long flat route will make Zwift much more inclusive to all fitness levels and could assist in expanding the user base. Seems this request has hit a nerve within you. Again, this is a request for a flat route (there are a few on these forums), if you would like other issues addressed make sure you vote those up and/or create a new request. ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Yeatts](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/stan_yeatts/32/1452_2.png) [@Stan\_Yeatts](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Stan_Yeatts)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/54 "2019-03-01T15:31:51Z")
Paul: Your suggestion is a good one. Another reason why an extended ‘Flat route’ makes sense, is that for group-rides, it is a lot easier to keep a large number of riders with the leader on a flat course (as even minor hills tend to split the pack). This is the reason that even the strongest group leaders (like Tim Bacon, etc.) choose the existing flat courses. Let’s hope the new flat section coming to Watopia soon will be just what you have been describing (and not just another short 5 - 6 mile loop)! ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Yngve](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/gary_yngve/32/448055_2.png) [@Gary\_Yngve](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Gary_Yngve)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/55 "2019-03-11T13:50:05Z")
Ideally, I’d like a 100-mi route that is flattish (rolling hills totalling roughly 5000 ft) that doesn’t repeat or double-back on itself. ---
**Author:** ![Gru](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/gru/32/437546_2.png) [@Gru](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Gru)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/56 "2019-03-12T21:31:50Z")
A 100 mile course could be interesting – a challenge just to complete it. But a long, rolling hills route is not what is being requested here. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Yngve](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/gary_yngve/32/448055_2.png) [@Gary\_Yngve](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Gary_Yngve)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/57 "2019-03-12T22:16:40Z")
I think I meant more like 2000 ft over 100 miles, not perfectly flat. I don’t see perfectly flat as a requirement, especially with the gradient difficulty slider. And you could still go pretty fast up gentle grades (e.g., up to 3-4%). ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Horrocks](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/robert_horrocks/32/29335_2.png) [@Robert\_Horrocks](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Robert_Horrocks)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/58 "2019-03-13T13:10:53Z")
u-turn ??? ---
**Author:** ![Gerrie\_Delport\_ODZ](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/gerrie_delport_odz/32/437556_2.png) [@Gerrie\_Delport\_ODZ](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Gerrie_Delport_ODZ)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/59 "2019-03-27T13:56:28Z")
did you see this. Stage 5: 18km with 25m elevation Look Flat to me. > **[Tour of Watopia 2022 - Zwift](https://www.zwift.com/tour-of-watopia)** > > Let the fun and games begin with the Tour of Watopia. You’ll earn double Experience Points during this five-stage series and level up faster than ever. Raise your profile, get your swagger back, and score more level-locked kits, sunglasses, helmets. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/original/3X/5/5/55cf3281cd5916c5e7e87ab8c08cc51cd0c5a915.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Allen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/paul_allen/32/414916_2.png) [@Paul\_Allen](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Paul_Allen)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/60 "2019-03-27T14:17:16Z")
Looks too short also, but at least it would be something if the stats are correct. Also depends on how the elevation is configured. ---
**Author:** ![Daren](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/daren/32/5836_2.png) [@Daren](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Daren)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022/61 "2019-03-27T14:22:41Z")
Comparison from ZwiftPower’s James Hodges: Richmond Flat has 46m of elevation per 18km Volcano Flat has 67m of elevation per 18km Watopia Flat has 95m of elevation per 18km So this looks pretty flat. Half the elevation of Richmond Flat. 11mi is about right for a standard “UK 10” TT type course. A good 25-30 minutes for me I expect. [Previous page](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.zwift.com/t/more-flat-routes-please/14022.md?page=4)