So , what if we talk about just an imaginary racer or two, one male and one female.
How would you determine if they were fake or legit?
What applies to the male (w/kg, time on the Alp, back to back races-second race %)?
And likewise a theoretical female racer (assuming that women racers have different watts and watts/kg)?
Have you reported these riders to their clubs/wtrl?
I see remarkably little obvious cheating in ZRL, although Iâm sure some people donât update their weights v often. Maybe Iâm not that attuned.
And yes, I am not an A, but youâre not a diamond either (you could race A dev i think?) And if you did velo races youâd be in with other very ordinary cyclists like me and away from the v strong ones + obvious cheats.
As for your proposals, only no.2 (and maybe 6 - although some pf this already happens?) looks easily workable. Asking people to use real names, are you suggesting zwift does ID&V processes akin to signing up for a bank account? I wouldnât mind but many customers might and its going to cost zwift.
whatâs a diamond?
Itâs a zwiftracing.app category. You are Ruby one level below Diamond.
As Paul says, it is a racing score for categorisation (to put it simply). Some race series use it and they tend to also be ones that have better controls on cheating. If you raced in those series youâd both be more competitive and avoid the ridiculous spin bike and hand drill sorts.
I agree and hopefully if enough people complain zwift will take action but unfortunately except for the introduction of the racing score (which I think reduced sandbagging in lower cats) I see little appetite for zwift to fix this. I did wish the algorithm didnât favor lighter riders on the flats where pure watts should count more.
ask this guy about his take on it @Shane_Stent_DIRT
take on what? Watt Tanking? if that is what take youâre looking for, yes, I have one. Donât know if itâs right, but it certainly seems to bewhat Iâm seeing. Iâm seeing people race in D. Win a couple races. Increase their Zwift score. Then go do some C races and not do as well and Zwift immediately deduct points so then they bounce back to D. Win a couple races, etc., etc. Thatâs why you get people with super high levels still in D. Maybe Iâm wrong. Probably am.
Iâve taken some time off and my score has adjusted, and then I come back. I understand that adjustment. But it also appears that some are doing harder races, depleting their score, and then getting back in lower categories.
I think a fix would be once you get up to a category. Youâre there for a while. None of this jumping back-and-forth quickly.
Whatâs the point of exerting oneself to win some races, and then spend similar effort to lose some races.. and then rinse&repeat? Iâm missing the point of this strategy.
Totally agree. I get it, life comes up and fitness goes away, but if you work hard and win some races, grind away until you gain fitness in the next cat. Right now, zwift awards tanking. If you race 10,20 races and get shelled in the new cat and have the numbers to back it up, yes, downgrade.
The 30-day maximum score already does this, many race organisers are already using it for pen allocation.
It could be improved to give organisers more options such as different numbers of days to use.
There are some fundamental problems with how the scoring system works that need to be resolved as a higher priority, doing so will reduce the perceived need for people to tank their scores.
Getting back to the original issue of fixing Zwift Advanced Racing.
Race organisers could have people dedicated to watching the race and then working on excluding the riders with dubious performances from future races, just as in real life racing you have a team of Comms running the race (with the ability to exclude riders as needed).
Until some automated solution happens what else can you do. I know there would be a fight over who is adequately qualified to boot riders from Zwift racing (and this has been debated before). That could be a selling point of those races.
It would be a rather thankless job but a worthy one.
Agree with this. There should be something required of race organizers other than putting a title on an event and posting it in the schedule. Goes for Zwift as well.
Currently there are no tools that an organizer can use to remove anyone from a race in progress. That would be interesting but not nearly as useful as automation. Organizers canât affect the in-game results either, and riders are free to pretend that ZwiftPower doesnât exist.
And that doesnât seem to be happening.
If it is, then itâs a very low priority behind things the community loves like those workout suggestions.
For comparison, Training Peaks Virtual does have commissaire mode where you can actually do thatâŚ
