Getting dropped on descents peddling while group supertucks

I just tried super tucking with Pace Partner Brevit group on descent from Titans Grove KOM I pushed over the top on to the descent and stopped peddling once I was at super tuck speed. I was front to mid pack of probably around 20 riders as the descent passed half way I gradually started to fall back by the bottom I was over 2 seconds back. I was on Scott Addict RC frame with DT Swiss Disc wheelset it seems clear to me that super tucking is not possible for myself if descent had been longer eg coming down from the Alpe I would be several hairpin’s back.

I am not sure you understand the physics. Race supertuck is different to group ride/free ride, so ignore the bowie ride. Supertuck becomes more and more valuable the faster the speed as well in racing.

Light riders need to learn and practise how to descend in zwift rather than throw their hands in the air. The mechanics of supertuck means that pedalling at 4-5wkg as a light rider is actually slowing you down. Don’t pedal unless you put a hard effort in for 5 seconds or so to get your speed back up. Also trust the eb and flow of the supertuck in the group, it’s normal to flow towards the back of the pack, this is the worst time to then start to panic and pedal.

“One simple trick” when in a pack and supertucking is to try snd avoid hitting the front, this can spit light riders out the back as they lose momentum and the pack glides on past. If you sense you are moving towards the front, just a few pedal rotations will sit you up for a second and then get back into supertuck and stay mid pack.

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Now that supertuck has been modified to only happen if you are in front of the pack, how does this now work? I get dropped often from people right in front of me since I am not in a supertuck and pedalling doesn’t help. Do you just coast and wait for enough gap to where it will enter super tuck?

Drop a few gears. Give it 750watts for 5 seconds. Nip in front and steal the supertuck. :+1:

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Thanks David! That makes sense. I got dropped this AM from a few A riders, but I did not push through to the front. It seems to take the TRON a long time to drop into Supertuck. I was going 40MPH at -6% and it was just sitting upright while my watts were at zero for a few seconds. I just need to practice I guess.

Sometimes it’s delayed as a function of how quickly your trainer drops to zero Watts. And sometimes it just doesn’t work even if all conditions are met.

David, you were absolutely right. At the top of Box Hill, I put in a sharp dig in a group of about 8, poked through to the front and dropped into the supertuck. I had a 3 second lead and still had a 2 second lead over entire group at the bottom while many were peddling. It seems race dynamics for the supertuck are much different than group rides. I tried that in a group ride and was constantly getting eaten up by the pack. Thanks!

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You might find some useful data in this post:

Back to my point about its unreliability, here I am nearing the bottom of the radio tower descent having coasted the whole way down, no supertuck:

Minutes later, after a flat section and then getting back up to speed, it happens. It’s just not reliable even if you meet all the criteria. You can’t trust that it will work as advertised.