# Extreme power with Real Turbo Muin (without B+ sensor)

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**Category:** Archived: Tips and Troubleshooting\
**Created:** [September 7, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/extreme-power-with-real-turbo-muin-without-b-sensor/3346 "2017-09-07T18:54:08Z")\
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**Author:** ![Danny\_Noel\_WBR\_C](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/danny_noel_wbr_c/32/5159_2.png) [@Danny\_Noel\_WBR\_C](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Danny_Noel_WBR_C)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/extreme-power-with-real-turbo-muin-without-b-sensor/3346/1 "2017-09-07T18:54:08Z")

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Hi,

I have been a Zwift user for almost a year.&nbsp; I use an Elite Real Turbo Muin B+ (s 13867) trainer but strangely, there is no B+ sensor in mine!&nbsp;

Never was a problem.&nbsp; Right out of the box, the trainer worked perfectly when I pair it as a power meter.

Suddenly this week, I logged on Zwift and then I get 400 watts by barely spinning the pedals!&nbsp; I have read severals posts concerning high wattage with the Elite trainer but lots of them mention the B+ sensor which I don’t have.

If anyone could help, would be very nice.

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**Author:** ![Jason\_K](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/jason_k/32/266_2.png) [@Jason\_K](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Jason_K)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/extreme-power-with-real-turbo-muin-without-b-sensor/3346/2 "2017-09-07T19:17:31Z")

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If you have Turbo Muin B+, then the Misuro B+ sensor is in a compartment on the side. That being said, I’m not sure that’s the root issue.

I looked at your sessions, and you’ve done multiple combinations of sensors, some of which could be causing issues. Since you’re connecting over ANT+, you’re going to see two options for pairing: [the current FE-C standard and the legacy ANT+ protocol](https://forums.zwift.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000345823-Legacy-Smart-Trainers-Visible-while-Pairing-over-ANT-?section=201540443). You should pair to the FE-C option for both power and controllable trainer - or use your 4iiii power meter in power, and Elite FE-C for controllable trainer.

If you’re still having issues after that, [send us a support ticket](https://forums.zwift.com/hc/en-us/requests/new), and we’ll have a look. Thanks!

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**Author:** ![Danny\_Noel\_WBR\_C](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/danny_noel_wbr_c/32/5159_2.png) [@Danny\_Noel\_WBR\_C](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Danny_Noel_WBR_C)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/extreme-power-with-real-turbo-muin-without-b-sensor/3346/3 "2017-09-07T21:11:18Z")

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Hi Jason,

there is nothing in that compartment.&nbsp; that being said, I was already pairing FE-C standard option for both power and trainer.&nbsp; I also use a Garmin HR strap and the 4iiii power meter for cadence.&nbsp; I know I can use my 4iiii power meter to read power but will the trainer still control gradient and will I be able to use ERG mode?

Thanks!