# Coffee Stops During Race/Group Ride?! **URL:** \ **Category:** Racing\ **Created:** [November 7, 2023, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438 "2023-11-07T13:40:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nathan\_Martin\_Team\_B](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/nathan_martin_team_b/32/489872_2.png) [@Nathan\_Martin\_Team\_B](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Nathan_Martin_Team_B)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/1 "2023-11-07T13:40:18Z")
I was on the Tour of Watopia last week, and while we were at the pointy end, riding hard and racing, I noticed that there were riders using the coffee stop function on the harder parts, on climbs or particularly intense efforts. It is officially a group ride, but a lot of people race it, and it was disappointing to see that this is effectively cheating the system to get a better result. Anyone else noticed this happen on rides or whats peoples thoughts? I know I could just join an official race, but on the nights when I can it’s better to ride group rides like this, and to do all the stages. ---
**Author:** ![Rhino-Racing](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/rhino-racing/32/538814_2.png) [@Rhino-Racing](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Rhino-Racing)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/2 "2023-11-07T13:41:52Z")
Always going to happen while some treat it like a race it’s officially a group ride so coffee stop allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Colin\_Cadden](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/colin_cadden/32/435362_2.png) [@Colin\_Cadden](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Colin_Cadden)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/3 "2023-11-07T13:47:15Z")
Wait until you hear about folk suddenly losing weight, becoming more aerodynamic or getting a draft from an invisible passing truck! ---
**Author:** ![Nathan\_Martin\_Team\_B](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/nathan_martin_team_b/32/489872_2.png) [@Nathan\_Martin\_Team\_B](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Nathan_Martin_Team_B)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/4 "2023-11-07T13:59:04Z")
Nope, that’s a silly answer - power-ups are available to all as part of the racing - you still have to ride for example, not just magically carry on at the same speed up a climb without doing anything. ---
**Author:** ![Colin\_Cadden](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/colin_cadden/32/435362_2.png) [@Colin\_Cadden](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Colin_Cadden)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/5 "2023-11-07T14:15:20Z")
It’s complete pot luck as to who gets what though. The skill (if any) is making best use of them. Same goes for Coffee Breaks. ---
**Author:** ![Nathan\_Martin\_Team\_B](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/nathan_martin_team_b/32/489872_2.png) [@Nathan\_Martin\_Team\_B](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Nathan_Martin_Team_B)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/6 "2023-11-07T14:20:44Z")
Maybe you’re right. It just doesnt seem fair play to use a coffee stop in that way, or at least that’s not the intention of a coffee stop. ---
**Author:** ![B\_Jimmy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/b_jimmy/32/497855_2.png) [@B\_Jimmy](https://forums.zwift.com/u/B_Jimmy)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/7 "2023-11-07T14:23:02Z")
They’re training rides for me so if someone wants to take a coffee break on a tough section it doesn’t bother me. What I do find annoying though is how much screen real estate the coffee break symbol takes up. One event we hit the volcano KOM and between coffee breaks and feather powerups (plus the leaderboard), almost my entire screen was taken up. ---
**Author:** ![Bath\_Salts](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/bath_salts/32/237_2.png) [@Bath\_Salts](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Bath_Salts)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/8 "2023-11-07T14:26:07Z")
ToW is Group ride, Not race , they did Race part of it did you miss that , it was Name " Race Watopia"? OP? ---
**Author:** ![Nathan\_Martin\_Team\_B](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/nathan_martin_team_b/32/489872_2.png) [@Nathan\_Martin\_Team\_B](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Nathan_Martin_Team_B)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/9 "2023-11-07T14:34:54Z")
You’re not wrong about that - they do use up quite a bit of space! ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Reading](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/martin_reading/32/481639_2.png) [@Martin\_Reading](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Martin_Reading)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/10 "2023-11-07T14:35:50Z")
Simple answer is do away with the coffee breaks 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Nathan\_Martin\_Team\_B](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/nathan_martin_team_b/32/489872_2.png) [@Nathan\_Martin\_Team\_B](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Nathan_Martin_Team_B)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/11 "2023-11-07T14:36:12Z")
No this was the ToW hence my point about yes it is officially a group ride, but a lot of people race it as well, so it didn’t seem fair to be racing people using the coffee stop as a power up essentially. ---
**Author:** ![Nathan\_Martin\_Team\_B](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/nathan_martin_team_b/32/489872_2.png) [@Nathan\_Martin\_Team\_B](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Nathan_Martin_Team_B)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/12 "2023-11-07T14:37:03Z")
Wouldn’t object to that at all, they’re not really useful as far as I’m concerned! ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Southworth](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/paul_southworth/32/538336_2.png) [@Paul\_Southworth](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Paul_Southworth)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/13 "2023-11-07T14:37:10Z")
You just have to go into it with the expectation of people using coffee break. There is zero chance they will disable that. There’s nothing wrong with your preferences, they’re just not going to be met by this type of event. ---
**Author:** ![Bath\_Salts](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/bath_salts/32/237_2.png) [@Bath\_Salts](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Bath_Salts)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/14 "2023-11-07T14:38:09Z")
they had Both going on at the same time, So very Sad you got mix up with your group ride thinking it was Race. ---
**Author:** ![Nathan\_Martin\_Team\_B](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/nathan_martin_team_b/32/489872_2.png) [@Nathan\_Martin\_Team\_B](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Nathan_Martin_Team_B)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/15 "2023-11-07T14:39:10Z")
Thanks but don’t think I did get mixed up, it was definitely the ToW and not the Race Watopia I joined! And deliberately so, to complete all the stages. ---
**Author:** ![Bath\_Salts](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/bath_salts/32/237_2.png) [@Bath\_Salts](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Bath_Salts)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/16 "2023-11-07T14:50:12Z")
if you did the Race Watopia, you got the stage 1-5 done for ToW check off. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Hammatt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/steve_hammatt/32/210763_2.png) [@Steve\_Hammatt](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Steve_Hammatt)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/17 "2023-11-07T15:08:00Z")
I don’t understand why anyone would care about soneone else using Coffee Break in a group ride? ---
**Author:** ![SeattleSauve](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/seattlesauve/32/452992_2.png) [@SeattleSauve](https://forums.zwift.com/u/SeattleSauve)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/18 "2023-11-07T15:55:11Z")
I somewhat understand for TdW why someone might care. We know some people race the group rides, some don’t (probably most don’t). The ones that do probably are trying to get as high as they can on Zwift Power - so maybe they have a goal to be top, top 10, or top 20, top 100, etc. Now, if that is their goal, and they are on track to hit that goal, and they see a bunch of people around them using coffee stop and their goal is slipping away, I can see why that might be a bummer for them as they know that person is going to be more fresh than them for the remainder of the ride and will probably do better at the end of the day. Personally, I just go into the TdW rides expecting people to use coffee stops, so I just try to ignore them since it’s just part of the game for group rides. But based on the usage pattern I’ve seen in TdW, a lot of people happen to want to find their towels or get a drink during one of the bigger climbs 🙂 Maybe if Zwift didn’t enable rankings for the TdW group rides on Zwift Power fewer people would care about the coffee stops? Not sure. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Southworth](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/paul_southworth/32/538336_2.png) [@Paul\_Southworth](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Paul_Southworth)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/19 "2023-11-07T16:00:31Z")
I don’t see any ZP ranking result for my ToW rides… ❓ ---
**Author:** ![SeattleSauve](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/seattlesauve/32/452992_2.png) [@SeattleSauve](https://forums.zwift.com/u/SeattleSauve)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438/20 "2023-11-07T16:07:54Z")
This is what I mean, maybe I’m using the wrong terminology: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/original/4X/2/6/5/2650e74745711bcb25a80e148b60e4f9c25fb231.png) [Next page](https://forums.zwift.com/t/coffee-stops-during-race-group-ride/615438.md?page=2)