Ok, but somehow they need to detect if you overstep somewhere along the curve, right?
I mean, it could work in two ways, or am I missing something? Either they detect that you overstep in a certain race. And then they could upgrade you just because of that bump or even DQ you and we’d have, again, that ZP-style post-fact DQ approach which is actually horrible. Or… your latest race is simply part of your 60 day modeling of your curve and will reshape it if you do produce a bump, of course dampened by your other best races that period if those weren’t quite so bumpy. But even then, your new curve needs to be matched against what is passable for cat X, right? Even though it’s not just one parameter anymore but several weighted ones?
I think your second point is exactly right, you are then upgraded for future races if the bump pushes your CP (or MAP) above the cat limits. I don’t think DQs are really needed any more, but that’s just my opinion.
Flint
Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere but all the Forum threads are getting so long it is hard to keep up and I must spend some time training ready for a Monday test race.
With Monday coming around I thought I would look at your feedback form with a view to both getting prepared to feedback on my test race experience and also feedback on your feedback form!
I will now NOT be able to feedback on my race experience because being the old IT illiterate dinosaur that I am I have managed to read through to the end of the feedback form and somehow submit it. Trying to open again tells me I have already submitted and probably rightly won’t let me open another.
So feedback on your feedback form.
Are you required to have undertaken a test race before completing the form? (I know this question has been asked on the forum but I can find answer.) if so the form shouldn’t let you past any section where you have to say which category you rode in.
I Can’t remember but does form ask you which race we took part in? Would it be helpful to know which specific races received positive feedback and which received negative feedback. If not don’t bother.
Does Zwift expect most of the sections to be completed? I found almost all sections allowed you just to skip through them which is absolutely fine if that is what you really intend.
I obviously now can’t look at the form again but I just remember getting to the last page, not knowing it was the last page, clicking to what I thought was next page and bang I had submitted the form. ( I may well be wrong in my recollection). My general experience of online feedback forms is that they ask whether you are ready to submit remind you of any sections you have not completed and only then allow you to submit.
Some keen riders have entered to test both a flat race and a hillier race, some might even do all the courses. Are you happy for them to complete a feedback form on each race and if so will the system allow them to open more than one feedback form. ( I don’t remember the feedback form allowing you to show that you have ridden in more than one race)
I know you and your team have lots on your plate at the moment getting ready for the first test races but if I may suggest it might be worth one or two of your team testing the Feedback forms out, making any changes necessary to ensure you receive the information you definitely require and then updating us again on how to feedback on multiple races. (Remind your IT experts to test the forms as if they were an old IT idiot - test to failure, just like my poor FTP ramp attempts)
Any chance you can clear my submitted form from your system.
I bet the difference is in the shape of the riders power curve.
I’m very flat.
I guess I never do a 15 or 30 sec interval because everything looks flat on the left hand side of the curve. It’s a dismal 2-3X my ftp.
I’m threshold, or near it, the whole time until I’m spent.
Oh, hey, you know what’s not easy to spoof and defeats the purpose of riding in a lower cat in order to get good results?
It literally does not matter how good you get the algorithm. It will never be as good as results. And you can’t cheat results when results is what you’re cheating for.
Your data makes no sense. I am a very competitive, high punch (90%), A cat racer (competitive like podiums in every Crit City A race it enter, A+ racers can’t drop me without a long climb) and yet my 1 min wkg is 7.25wkg in a race environment, yours is 7.36.
Yes your 5min and 20 min power is low, very low in comparison, but the difference between your 1 min and 5 min power makes no sense because they are not all that different in terms of power systems. You must literally only try for 1 min of your races
Earlier versions we had talked about potentially limiting certain types of activities, and I made the mistake of thinking we had gone with a workout-less implementation this time around.
So everything you do on Zwift that produces power curve data will count toward your overall categorization.
That’s good news, and may explain a few [more] things. To be honest I think we could do with a revised pinned thread or something that covers these updates and changes to the background info, incorporating the stuff James has posted. It’s fine for those of us keeping track with every post in each thread, but it’s getting hidden.
There was mention of also including efforts that were never saved into the categorization calculations too. Is that indeed correct? If you don’t finish an event and discard the ride, or just power off your computer, will the effort up to that point still be counted?
They sure will. We record data (and have been for a while now) that a rider produces on Zwift in real time, meaning it’s not tied the ride being saved. This is beneficial if folks quit a race either intentionally or because of a crash where they’ve had a particularly good high effort, as it will still be recorded.