All of this begs the question, when custom boundaries (whether ZP, CE, Ranking based) are possible some day and selectable by race organizers, will it make any sense to publish how the boundaries were determined, or only that there are custom boundaries ‘determined by the organizer’? That is, get racers used to the idea that they have no idea why for every race they’re in this or that pen?
i suppose, but the many threads you’re referring to are because there are published criteria – in fact there are 2 sets of them (ZP and CE). The alternative is there are no published criteria whatsoever, though in a ranked system, personal ranking info could be available. In addition to custom cats, the number of the could likewise be variable (4, 5, 10)? One might hope that participants would quickly realize it doesn’t make sense to continually ask ‘why am I only able to select G, B, D’, when the answer could differ for every given posted event.
You also would avoid the current situation, where generally, the entrant pool is heavily weighted to the top end of the defined cat, and fewer riders enter who are in the bottom half of a cat, knowing they’ll likely be riding alone. Not-knowing where a cat you enter starts or ends otoh, makes each race more of a surprise.
the theory is nice but the same type of power profile wins on most courses in all current CE and non CE categories, nothing is going to change there except which sprinter gets to win in a given particular race
i don’t see PD4 changing anything in practise either since the devs have confirmed in the PD4 thread that zwift cannot differentiate between a large pack of riders and a small one, nothing they do to the draft is going to make breakaway attempts worth it if the physics can’t even account for that
i just think it’s better to give the community tools to do whatever they want with the current pens. maybe add or remove a couple if they want too. and also promote community run events within the actual game with some sort of startup billboard or whatever. i don’t like all these ideas that take away agency from race organisers and try to automate everything and smooth everything out so it’s neat and tidy, it’s not working.
edit: sorry, OP, i thought this was the general CE thread
I think the ride that put you up to cat A for your race on the 18th October was on 16th October, when you did 264W for 9:56 on the Two Bridges Loop segment. Based on this and a few calculations using the best powers I can find around 3 minutes I estimate your CP to have been 4.37 W/Kg after this ride using a 2 point fit. As Ian says above, on 4th November you did 267W for 11 minutes which raised the CP calculation a bit more. You did some Zwift rides over 40 minutes in the last few days, did you have any Zwift rides over 40 minutes before that but still in the last 60 days?
I really have no IDEA , but all of the zwift racing league were over 40mins.
All we know about clearly is zwiftpower profile.
But we dont know the criteria very clearly of Category enforcement…
As we guess, and the only possible reason is that my cp over the upper limit of cat B.
AND this boundary will change over time, not using the 60 days rule.
I have been addicted to zwift for 2 years.
I love all the number and analysis.
I still remember the first day I upgraded in Mixed Cat B.
I m not able to follow the front group, but I keep trying and improving.
Finally, I am able to follow the front group, and feeling more and more easy.
I really dont mind upgraded,
because it proved that u are improving.
But I just wanna know the criteria of the category enforcement.
Have you tried using intervals.icu? I have crossed the CE boundaries up and down a few times and intervals.icu has always calculated a new CP for me that crosses the boundary on exactly the same day as the change happens in Zwift.
I really should just start to accept this farce… but every so often another rider pops along that defies enforcement logic.
In the last 6 weeks. 72kg rider - Cat B (almost A). Winning Cat B enforced races (regularly).
15 sec - 15.9wkg
30 sec - 13.0wkg
1 min - 9.4wkg (a minute!!!)
5 min - 5.1wkg
20 min - 4.3wkg (which looks like took them to the almost A status)
How on earth can the power curve here keep them in Cat B??
Winning Cat A Crits as well as the Cat B enforced races!
Hence why I quoted his power first… the results just confirming his power numbers aren’t random spikes but regularly deployed in events.
I don’t understand how that power curve can be a cat B - when plenty of profiles are cat enforced A with considerably less power.
At least with the previous system it was logical, visible and understandable and the ZRL races don’t seem to be suffering still using it.
Roll on the ranking system - then we can close about 300 threads on here about not understanding the farce