# Bug: Runners exempt from cheat detection / pace cap **URL:** \ **Category:** Bugs and Support\ **Created:** [January 27, 2023, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749 "2023-01-27T13:57:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![anon99260137](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@anon99260137](https://forums.zwift.com/u/anon99260137)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/1 "2023-01-27T13:57:50Z")
I rode on the Volcano Circuit today. I was lapped dozens of times by a runner sprinting at an apparent speeds of up to 100mph on occasion (varied) and who had done 250km+ run (and counting). It appears as though runners are exempt from pace cheat detection that applies to cyclists, or if the functionality exists it is broken ![IMG_2047.PNG](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/original/4X/2/b/3/2b36800454d2e41aeff9bdb21b169b315bfe7a17.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Rowe1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/mike_rowe1/32/530428_2.png) [@Mike\_Rowe1](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Mike_Rowe1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/2 "2023-01-27T14:03:38Z")
the screen name says it all… ---
**Author:** ![Stuart.Middlecoate](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/stuart.middlecoate/32/539453_2.png) [@Stuart.Middlecoate](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Stuart.Middlecoate)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/3 "2023-01-27T14:03:53Z")
I think the title of the runner gives it away. I do testing from time to time and use a simulator to do so. There’s nothing to be gained for the user given the lack of accredited races for runners. ---
**Author:** ![anon99260137](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@anon99260137](https://forums.zwift.com/u/anon99260137)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/4 "2023-01-27T14:05:14Z")
I think you’ve both managed to entirely miss the point. This isn’t some official Zwift testing. Cyclists aren’t free to put “testing” in their name and ride at 3000W continuous (regardless of whether riding in open world, events such as group rides, or races). Why do you believe this should be different for runners? ---
**Author:** ![Stuart.Middlecoate](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/stuart.middlecoate/32/539453_2.png) [@Stuart.Middlecoate](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Stuart.Middlecoate)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/5 "2023-01-27T14:23:49Z")
I get your issue but not sure why you’re so bothered? They aren’t competing & have changed their name to signify their intent. They probably didn’t save their run. Like i say i do testing from time to time in order to improve Zwift, does that make me a cheat? ---
**Author:** ![Ian\_Attoe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/ian_attoe/32/526916_2.png) [@Ian\_Attoe](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Ian_Attoe)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/6 "2023-01-27T14:29:10Z")
I suspect being level 60 on cycling they are now quickly levelling up and so far at level 24 for running. ( you will need to do a few more 10ks to catch them !) Current run of 180 miles at 31mph is something I can only dream about, on a bike. Anyway they are testing something - whether Zwift will do anything about it ?! ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Rowe1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/mike_rowe1/32/530428_2.png) [@Mike\_Rowe1](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Mike_Rowe1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/7 "2023-01-27T14:33:37Z")
> [@D.A](#): > > I think you’ve both managed to entirely miss the point. You shouldn’t assume that. I once saw a similar thing and it turned out it was Zwift doing testing but accidentally did it in the live world and not in the QA environment. The name was SITU LIVE, nothing to note it was Zwift or just some random user. I do believe that using an ANT emulator is against the ToS. ---
**Author:** ![anon99260137](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@anon99260137](https://forums.zwift.com/u/anon99260137)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/8 "2023-01-27T14:36:26Z")
> [@Mike\_Rowe1](#): > > You shouldn’t assume that. Likewise you shouldn’t assume it is official. Hence logging the bug here and needing input from Zwift support. ---
**Author:** ![Stuart.Middlecoate](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/stuart.middlecoate/32/539453_2.png) [@Stuart.Middlecoate](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Stuart.Middlecoate)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/9 "2023-01-27T14:43:15Z")
I’ve looked at their history, all normal until yesterday and now today. Odd behaviour i admit but like i say I’m totally not bothered about something that doesn’t affect me or my Zwift experience. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Rowe1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/mike_rowe1/32/530428_2.png) [@Mike\_Rowe1](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Mike_Rowe1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/10 "2023-01-27T14:44:16Z")
I wasn’t, just pointing out the irony of the name. Did you flag them on the companion app, or fill out the suspicious rider form? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Zwift](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/james_zwift/32/467851_2.png) [@James\_Zwift](https://forums.zwift.com/u/James_Zwift)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/11 "2023-01-27T15:09:31Z")
This isn’t us, I’ve let the CS Team know. ---
**Author:** ![anon99260137](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@anon99260137](https://forums.zwift.com/u/anon99260137)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/12 "2023-01-27T15:26:20Z")
Perfect, thanks @James_Zwift💖 ---
**Author:** ![anon99260137](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@anon99260137](https://forums.zwift.com/u/anon99260137)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/13 "2023-01-27T15:27:55Z")
> [@Mike\_Rowe1](#): > > Did you flag them on the companion app, or fill out the suspicious rider form? I did, yes, but the point is that a wider bug exists for this to be possible in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![anon99260137](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@anon99260137](https://forums.zwift.com/u/anon99260137)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/14 "2023-01-27T15:29:11Z")
> [@Stuart.Middlecoate](#): > > I get your issue but not sure why you’re so bothered? Its not “me” alone that’s bothered with cheating, its Zwift. Hence why they have already added detection for unfeasible w/kg for cyclists - but appear to have a gap in that detection for runners. Lack of parity/coverage in an existing anti-cheating measure. I’m not making a feature request and don’t need to argue my case for cheating detection, Zwift have already made that decision. I’m simply pointing out a gap in that protection. Really, people on this forum don’t half complicate matters sometimes 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Rowe1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/mike_rowe1/32/530428_2.png) [@Mike\_Rowe1](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Mike_Rowe1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/15 "2023-01-27T15:36:53Z")
I’m not certain, but I think the “cone of shame” that autodetects unrealistic numbers might only be enabled in events, and not while free riding? I would hope it would autodetect this type of thing regardless, but I’m not sure. ---
**Author:** ![anon99260137](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@anon99260137](https://forums.zwift.com/u/anon99260137)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/16 "2023-01-27T15:37:38Z")
That is not correct, Mike, it occurs in open riding too (triangle warning) ---
**Author:** ![James\_Zwift](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/james_zwift/32/467851_2.png) [@James\_Zwift](https://forums.zwift.com/u/James_Zwift)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/17 "2023-01-27T15:38:12Z")
Yeah this happens in free riding when I make my avatar do 2000w 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Rowe1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/mike_rowe1/32/530428_2.png) [@Mike\_Rowe1](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Mike_Rowe1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/18 "2023-01-27T15:49:34Z")
thanks for confirming! ---
**Author:** ![Ian\_Attoe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/ian_attoe/32/526916_2.png) [@Ian\_Attoe](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Ian_Attoe)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/19 "2023-01-27T16:09:50Z")
Ah but when you hit 2000w I bet it wasn’t for 30 hours and over 2750km in November 2020 to hit level 50 cycling. 🤔 Edit - thanks for passing running information on. Not sure my follow up cycling info isn’t just a couple of years too late ! ---
**Author:** ![James\_Zwift](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/james_zwift/32/467851_2.png) [@James\_Zwift](https://forums.zwift.com/u/James_Zwift)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/bug-runners-exempt-from-cheat-detection-pace-cap/600749/20 "2023-01-27T16:10:18Z")
Sometimes an hour 🙂