# Braking at Zero Cadence

**URL:** <https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848>\
**Category:** Archived: Feature Requests\
**Created:** [August 19, 2015, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848 "2015-08-19T05:27:00Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 18\
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**Author:** ![K\_C\_Race\_3R](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/k_c_race_3r/32/42191_2.png) [@K\_C\_Race\_3R](https://forums.zwift.com/u/K_C_Race_3R)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/1 "2015-08-19T05:27:00Z")

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Team Zwift, Can you please explain the intention behind this test and idea to auto-brake at zero cadence? &nbsp;It seems to be quite the annoyance for riders who want to freewheel or supertuck. &nbsp;THANKS. &nbsp;&nbsp;

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**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Robbie)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/2 "2015-08-20T23:15:50Z")

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Braking would be a very useful function particularly when catching up for a draft. Could a button slider feature be added to the phone app to simulate braking for those using trainers that do not require rear wheel.&nbsp;

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**Author:** ![K\_C\_Race\_3R](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/k_c_race_3r/32/42191_2.png) [@K\_C\_Race\_3R](https://forums.zwift.com/u/K_C_Race_3R)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/3 "2015-09-09T18:02:57Z")

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Has the auto-Braking been disabled please?

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**Author:** ![Taylor\_Gonsoulin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/taylor_gonsoulin/32/12575_2.png) [@Taylor\_Gonsoulin](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Taylor_Gonsoulin)\
**Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/4 "2015-12-03T16:24:33Z")

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A true braking feature would be helpful when approaching the start line in a mass start race, and crucial in a TT race. As it is now, I have to guess when to stop pedaling when approaching the line.&nbsp; This causes me to drift across the line sometimes, or stop well short and sacrifice time upon the command to start racing.

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**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Robbie)\
**Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/5 "2015-12-03T16:30:01Z")

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Keyboard command for stop even and a button on app&nbsp;

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**Author:** ![Darth\_Lady\_Bane](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/darth_lady_bane/32/484661_2.png) [@Darth\_Lady\_Bane](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Darth_Lady_Bane)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/6 "2015-12-08T13:51:25Z")

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I have seen some comments on this and not much in the way of answers.

No feature should ever slow me down.&nbsp;

Turn auto-brake off. Please.&nbsp;

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**Author:** ![Michael\_Henasey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@Michael\_Henasey](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Michael_Henasey)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/7 "2015-12-08T19:11:47Z")

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There seems to be a trigger of either gradient or speed that allows you to tuck a downhill without pedaling. I was coasting in Richmond the other day and noticed that the gradient needed to be \> -5% or so before my avatar would tuck. It could also be speed related so I don’t know exactly. When tucked, “brakes” were not being applied, my speed remained constant until the road flattened out.

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**Author:** ![Darth\_Lady\_Bane](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/darth_lady_bane/32/484661_2.png) [@Darth\_Lady\_Bane](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Darth_Lady_Bane)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/8 "2015-12-09T13:21:14Z")

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Here is my issue with the auto-braking. Every time I shift, the brakes are applied. The orange line is the elevation. Blue line speed and power is yellow. For that brief moment when changing that power hits zero.&nbsp;

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**Author:** ![Michael\_Henasey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@Michael\_Henasey](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Michael_Henasey)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/9 "2015-12-09T13:22:58Z")

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@Darth, are you suggesting that your speed decreases when you stop pedaling?

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**Author:** ![Darth\_Lady\_Bane](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/darth_lady_bane/32/484661_2.png) [@Darth\_Lady\_Bane](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Darth_Lady_Bane)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/10 "2015-12-09T13:30:10Z")

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No I am pedaling, just shifting and in the brief moment that we are talking a second when the power drops to zero, the brakes are applied. I understand physics very well if your not pedaling you go slower. I snagged this section as it relatively flat so momentum should keep you moving during shifts. As you can see the most significant speed changes are during shifts, very abrupt decreases.&nbsp;

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**Author:** ![Darth\_Lady\_Bane](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/darth_lady_bane/32/484661_2.png) [@Darth\_Lady\_Bane](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Darth_Lady_Bane)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/11 "2015-12-09T13:40:31Z")

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Back in April on a climb, shifting and cadence drops has very little affect on losing speed going up hill.&nbsp;

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**Author:** ![Michael\_Henasey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@Michael\_Henasey](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Michael_Henasey)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/12 "2015-12-09T13:45:46Z")

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From your graph, it’s very difficult to correlate the magnitude of speed change with respect to power. No labels for x-y axis. Is x-axis time in minutes?

Why does your power drop to zero when you shift gears? I don’t&nbsp;recall ever seeing such a phenomenon using both a Stages power meter (indoors and outdoors) and a KICKR. now I do see and expect&nbsp;a brief decrease in power when shifting gears sometimes, I would not expect to see a consistent drop to zero watts with every gear change.

Perhaps the issue is&nbsp;with your power meter or trainer? All&nbsp;devices report on power in different ways (i.e. smoothing/averaging, etc.) and frequencies (i.e. once per second, etc.).&nbsp;

When your power drops to zero I would expect the game to respond by decreasing speed. &nbsp;

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**Author:** ![Darth\_Lady\_Bane](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/darth_lady_bane/32/484661_2.png) [@Darth\_Lady\_Bane](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Darth_Lady_Bane)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/13 "2015-12-09T14:22:36Z")

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Decrease yes, braking no.

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I would suspect something is a miss. It is very noticeable even going downhill, we are talking 2-4 mph changes in a matter of a second. There could be a cadence issue as I am generally only on the kickr with no other sensors. Power meter is on the cx bike right now. The software could be taking the shift as a complete zero cadence scenario. I did notice somehow I have cadence in the file without a cadence sensor. There is an auto-brake feature, I still just don’t understand its need. &nbsp;

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**Author:** ![Michael\_Henasey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@Michael\_Henasey](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Michael_Henasey)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/14 "2015-12-09T15:25:55Z")

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I suggest getting a cadence sensor. I use the Garmin GSC-10. Then see if this phenomenon continues to occur.

I’m not aware of either the KICKR or Zwift calculating a virtual cadence. It could be done but would be inaccurate without knowing a bunch of other things, including gearing, wheel size, etc.

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**Author:** ![Darth\_Lady\_Bane](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/darth_lady_bane/32/484661_2.png) [@Darth\_Lady\_Bane](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Darth_Lady_Bane)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/15 "2015-12-09T17:01:11Z")

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Not to be mean or troll, but how about disable auto-brake and I don’t have to buy 7 cadence sensors for my/wife’s bikes.&nbsp;

As for the virtual cadence, apparently it does.&nbsp;

What problem&nbsp;does an auto-brake feature solve?&nbsp;

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**Author:** ![Michael\_Henasey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@Michael\_Henasey](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Michael_Henasey)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/16 "2015-12-09T17:10:54Z")

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Braking was implemented to help with drafting.&nbsp;

Braking is also nice when you want to come to a stop and end your ride. If you are not using the Zwift Mobile App, then the only way to end and save a ride is to come to a complete stop.

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**Author:** ![Darth\_Lady\_Bane](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/darth_lady_bane/32/484661_2.png) [@Darth\_Lady\_Bane](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Darth_Lady_Bane)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/17 "2015-12-09T18:07:31Z")

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Braking was implemented to help with drafting. (Drafting was fine)

Braking is also nice when you want to come to a stop and end your ride. If you are not using the Zwift Mobile App, then the only way to end and save a ride is to come to a complete stop. (As you pointed out when you stop pedaling your speed decreases. My rider seemed to come to a complete stop without the app all the time. Now my avatar seems to want to stop all the time.)&nbsp;

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**Author:** ![Mr\_Alpaca\_The\_Avatar](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/mr_alpaca_the_avatar/32/102674_2.png) [@Mr\_Alpaca\_The\_Avatar](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Mr_Alpaca_The_Avatar)\
**Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/braking-at-zero-cadence/7848/18 "2017-12-06T16:22:17Z")

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Supertuck?
