Are data overlays like Sauce for Zwift cheating?

I think the one big difference (elephant in the room) is when Zwift riders use such data streams specifically to moderate their power output to stay within cat.

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That’s on Zwift to take the final step and move to either results based categories or roll CE to all races incl ZRL so that 20min number is no longer defining factor for fairness.

I like Sauce, its how Zwift should look - Modern, sleek, has a slightly ‘arcadey’ feel to it.

The only one note, if a user marks themselves as private, it should not be possible to fan view them or pull back their metrics from within the game but thats on Zwift not Sauce.


Considering CE, how hard really though to tweak software like this to also show current 1, 2, 5 minute power levels?

But first, we would need to understand CE… and that is way above my pay grade!

Zwift purposely don’t give the full calculation to CE which i kind of like but it does lead to a lot of questions from riders wondering here they are in a certain cat. and those events that don’t use CE are just getting worse for sandbaggers e.g ZRL.

Zwift are working on a better UI to explain things so hopefully that clears things up a bit until we can get a ranking system

i dont even want to see half of the stuff on the regular zwift UI, i wish we could just customise that in the settings. i literally put 4cm duct tape over the top left of my monitor to hide my HR because i start hyper focusing on it when i look at it

I’d say the overlays aren’t cheating.
Some potential uses of some overlays include “controlling power”, which I would call “promotion avoidance” - which to my knowledge isn’t actually against any rules in Zwift, but is, to me, in bad faith.

I think that’s what this comes down to… not cheating but is it in the spirit of good sportsmanship? Sorta is… sorta isn’t, depending on your perspective.

I don’t think it’s the overlay itself - it’s potential uses of it. I’ve got no issues with the nice display of who’s in what group and gaps. That info is available in different ways. It’s people deliberately staying under category limit that I’ve a bit of an issue with.

Every major cycling computer does the same thing. If a sandbagger wants to see their 3-5 min power for CE or their 20 min power (current, trailing, or highest) for ZP they already have all the tools they need. Anyone can hop on Garmin Connect and download a customize-able data-field that will track a trailing average and the highest value for any time period. Sand will be bagged whether apps like this are around or not.

Sauce gives users a customizeable UI. You can move the elements around, add or change data fields, change color and transparency, etc. It would be nice if Zwift did this natively, but it doesn’t. Getting rid of sauce would be misguided.


We need THIS graph in Zwift! Pure adrenaline.

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