# Any plan for Zwift bike WITHOUT the Kickr? **URL:** \ **Category:** Feature Requests\ **Created:** [July 21, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/any-plan-for-zwift-bike-without-the-kickr/632589 "2024-07-21T15:13:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jean-Francois\_Muller](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/jean-francois_muller/32/511423_2.png) [@Jean-Francois\_Muller](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Jean-Francois_Muller)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/any-plan-for-zwift-bike-without-the-kickr/632589/1 "2024-07-21T15:13:53Z")
Hi, Zwift bike could actually fit well to replace real bike mounted on existing 3rd party Home Trainer for existing Zwift setup. There is an opportunity to sell it without the Kick core. Any plan? ---
**Author:** ![Jurgen\_Grusdat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/jurgen_grusdat/32/476859_2.png) [@Jurgen\_Grusdat](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Jurgen_Grusdat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/any-plan-for-zwift-bike-without-the-kickr/632589/2 "2024-07-21T19:00:20Z")
> **[Zwift Ride FAQ](https://support.zwift.com/en_us/zwift-ride-faq-ByTCtW8SA)** > > Zwift Ride FAQ Zwift Ride FAQ Have questions about Zwift Ride Weve got you coveredcheck out our FAQ below Q What is Zwift Ride A Zwift Ride > **Q:** Will Zwift offer a frame-only option? > > A: At this time, Zwift Ride is only available as a complete bike setup, including the Wahoo KICKR CORE Zwift One. Later this year, we’ll offer the option to purchase the Zwift Ride without a trainer included. At that time, the Zwift Ride will be compatible with trainers that offer Zwift’s virtual shifting—this includes some Wahoo trainers, and we’re also working with additional manufacturers. Currently, the following trainers are compatible with Zwift’s virtual shifting and the Zwift Ride: > > - Wahoo KICKR CORE > - Wahoo KICKR v6 > - Zwift Hub ---
**Author:** ![Jean-Francois\_Muller](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/jean-francois_muller/32/511423_2.png) [@Jean-Francois\_Muller](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Jean-Francois_Muller)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/any-plan-for-zwift-bike-without-the-kickr/632589/3 "2024-07-22T06:49:15Z")
Thanks for the response and thank you for pointing out the compatibility with virtual shifting. I wasn’t aware that only three HTs supported this functionality. Does this requires a modification of the HT ? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Southworth](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/paul_southworth/32/538336_2.png) [@Paul\_Southworth](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Paul_Southworth)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/any-plan-for-zwift-bike-without-the-kickr/632589/4 "2024-07-22T08:29:22Z")
> [@Jean-Francois\_Muller](#): > > Does this requires a modification of the HT Yes it requires firmware changes by the manufacturer > **[Zwift Virtual Shifting: Which trainers support it now, and which trainers...](https://zwiftinsider.com/virtual-shifting-support-status/)** > > Learn the current status of Zwift virtual shifting support for Wahoo, Tacx, Elite, and more… ---
**Author:** ![Christian\_Lammerer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/christian_lammerer/32/489872_2.png) [@Christian\_Lammerer](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Christian_Lammerer)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/any-plan-for-zwift-bike-without-the-kickr/632589/5 "2024-08-23T17:49:09Z")
Hi, I’d like upvote this. I am interested in the smart bike but already have the wahoo kickr core ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Van\_Beek8493](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/michael_van_beek8493/32/512227_2.png) [@Michael\_Van\_Beek8493](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Michael_Van_Beek8493)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/any-plan-for-zwift-bike-without-the-kickr/632589/6 "2024-08-19T00:57:07Z")
Is there any more definitive timetable for the release of the Zwift Ride frame only option? The FAQ only gives “later this year”… would be great to have a better idea of when I can anticipate having this option. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Mantis\_Toboggan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/mantis_toboggan/32/485237_2.png) [@Mantis\_Toboggan](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Mantis_Toboggan)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/any-plan-for-zwift-bike-without-the-kickr/632589/7 "2024-08-19T07:04:59Z")
Do you already have a trainer capable of virtual shifting? I was really looking forward to a frame only option until wahoo dumped development of a firmware for v5 kickr. 😫 ---
**Author:** ![Maxime\_V\_Foudre](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/maxime_v_foudre/32/512283_2.png) [@Maxime\_V\_Foudre](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Maxime_V_Foudre)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/any-plan-for-zwift-bike-without-the-kickr/632589/8 "2024-08-21T08:15:23Z")
Same question here, I already have a Zwift Hub One with Zwift play and would love to have the Zwift Ride Frame as well. Or I would gladly buy the whole package if Zwift propose me an offer to buy back my Zwift Hub One 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jakub\_Holak](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/jakub_holak/32/512326_2.png) [@Jakub\_Holak](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Jakub_Holak)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/any-plan-for-zwift-bike-without-the-kickr/632589/9 "2024-08-22T04:32:50Z")
Same here, Zwift Hub One already there - can’t wait to buy the frame 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Southworth](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/paul_southworth/32/538336_2.png) [@Paul\_Southworth](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Paul_Southworth)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/any-plan-for-zwift-bike-without-the-kickr/632589/10 "2024-08-22T09:29:07Z")
There is a recent staff [response](https://www.reddit.com/r/Zwift/comments/1eup9bd/comment/limmdr6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) to this question on Reddit. The latest update is that there is no information. ![Screenshot 2024-08-22 at 05.28.10](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/original/4X/f/8/d/f8da185fd517f707f4e83d0e23e9a347df5231c4.png) ---
**Author:** ![Marko\_Jarvenpaa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/marko_jarvenpaa/32/541606_2.png) [@Marko\_Jarvenpaa](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Marko_Jarvenpaa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/any-plan-for-zwift-bike-without-the-kickr/632589/11 "2024-08-23T14:31:30Z")
+1 from me as well, waiting for the frame only as I have kickr core already. Hopefully before Christmas 😛 I want something under the Christmas tree. ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_Butcher](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/jason_butcher/32/438911_2.png) [@Jason\_Butcher](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Jason_Butcher)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2024, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/any-plan-for-zwift-bike-without-the-kickr/632589/12 "2024-08-25T01:24:52Z")
Same here. We have a Kickr v6, so waiting for the frame only. ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Hamilton](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/greg_hamilton/32/513072_2.png) [@Greg\_Hamilton](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Greg_Hamilton)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/any-plan-for-zwift-bike-without-the-kickr/632589/13 "2024-09-09T18:56:17Z")
I have got a zwift hub and I want to buy the zwift frame. Is the kicker a better trainer than the zwift hub. I’m not sure if i must buy the complete set or just the frame. Any ideas or help would be great. ---
**Author:** ![Maxime\_V\_Foudre](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/gozwift/user_avatar/forums.zwift.com/maxime_v_foudre/32/512283_2.png) [@Maxime\_V\_Foudre](https://forums.zwift.com/u/Maxime_V_Foudre)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.zwift.com/t/any-plan-for-zwift-bike-without-the-kickr/632589/14 "2024-09-09T19:09:01Z")
Just buy the frame. The difference is tight and is mostly a matter of preference. I heard the Zwift Hub has a better durability.