Accidental cheating

Racing
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That’s where IRL if it’s a technical course and you can get to the front and assuming you are demon bike handler you can put others who are less savvy in a world of problems.

IRL races (and in pace lines on big stage races) you can really do quite a lot of coasting if you are in a big group - which never happens in Zwift.

Worst thing at the back is if the people in front don’t corner so well then you end up with huge accelerations (everyone slows right down) and using a lot of energy to speed up again. :frowning:

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Someone who has been following or contributing on this thread has somehow found out my YouTube handle and has been stalking me on YouTube calling me out as a cheat - using my real name - even threatening to ‘closely monitor’ my races and numbers.

But, this sh*t stops now, OK?

Claiming someone has been DSQd from an event for cheating, when they were NOT DSQd, using their real name, in a public forum, is really rather dodgy.

I think whoever is doing this also needs to:

  1. get a life, I mean, really
  2. Focus their ire on the ridiculous number of A race winners who weigh +/- 50kg, and how this ruins the experiences of many more riders than someone struggling with a cheap smarttrainer and pedal based PM.

@Chris, this isn’t a response to your comment, I can’t see how I can make a general comment that isn’t a reply to someone.

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Oh yes, are you on mobile?

There is a way to change it - where you reply to someone, at the top above your comment (on mobile),click on the little arrow to the left of the name (and avatar) of the person you are replying to:

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Then choose “reply to topic”. Hope it helps. I got caught out by this as well.

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So your name isnt James Cavall ?

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Just to be clear you were disqualified with a code 19 on the WTRL website - you earned 1 point in the race and this was removed from your & team total points as you were disqualified.
Zwiftpower might not show DQ, but the results table on WTRL does.

For all the other discussion in this thread this bit of information is accurate regardless of how much it irks you.

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Like I just messaged you.

I just set up my new Kickr v6.

The piece of crap Zwift Hub One is disassembled and going in the shed.

Just trying out the Kickr for a few minutes and it’s a world of difference, i mean it holds much steadier and feels like riding outdoors. Before I removed the assiomos (on my outdoor bike) I checked the power readings of the Kickr against the Assiomos and they tracked almost identically.

Above 300w the Hub is useless, the resistance seems to fluctuate, the accuracy is guff. It’s like riding through porridge of varying thickness. It’s a nightmare to hold steady power in a race, and you end up fluctuating constantly between Z7 and Z1. Training Peaks usually tells me that the zone I spent the least time in was Z4, exactly the reverse of what is usual. If anyone thinks this is intentional cheating…Jeez, my CNS is fu&*ed from too much time in Z7 and my knees are creaking like a rusty mattress spring.

I had no idea I was DQd. I assumed it would be communicated to me and the result would be removed from ZP or Zwift app. I’m not interested in WTRL, I rode 2 races as a stand in for my coach’s team. I mean, if I cheated to come 40th, someone might want to look at the 65kg (my ar*e) winner, whose FTP is probably comparable to his maximum bench press.

I mean, people also might want to look at the number of recent winners of the ‘Flat is Fast’ 690+ race who seem to weigh exactly 50kg and are winning flat races with an average of 275 watts. It’s a joke. Honestly, Zwift racing is a joke.

Trainers vary in accuracy depending on make and model, and are affected by variables such as temperature and humidity. People are calibrating them in different ways (or not) and lying about one’s height and weight is so massively popular and obvious.

Also, the way Zwift works simply isn’t realistic compared to IRL racing. It can’t be.

It’s just a training tool to make indoor training more fun. People who are publicly accusing people of cheating need to get a life.

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Yeah, but someone who clearly doesn’t have much of a life has somehow tracked down my anonymous YouTube account and started flaming me publicly as a cheat.

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Here is a public apology to Lee H for snidely dismissing his claims that I was DQd.

Turns out I was.

I wasn’t informed of it, and it only appears as ‘Code 19’ and a minus 1 point on WTRL, which is why I disagreed.

Happy to accept I was wrong on this.

Lee H was right.

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I don’t think it was intentional or you wouldn’t have come here to talk about it. I think you probably learned some things and clearly spent a load of money to try to deal with it.

I ignore WTRL’s events but I don’t think they are wrong to try to address this problem. They use their own system for recording results. You can’t look at either ZwiftPower or results in the app to learn anything about results in ZRL.

eBay is probably a better home for the low quality trainer than your shed. Or someone in a local bike club so you don’t have to ship it. A rider with less power might be happy with it.

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You mean like you did in the same post.

If this topic should have tought you anything it is that we should be very carefull when calling people cheaters when we dont know who they are and their background.

It took you 190 replies to see that you got a DSQ and only after buying a new trainer found out that the older one was indeed not reading power correct while denying the dsq and refusing to do a dual recording for almost 189 posts in this topic cause you were a (semi)pro and thought you had all the knowledge.

A little more humble reaction would suit you a lot better.

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Weight doping is endemic.

To have an FTP of 5+ w/kg you’d need to be putting in years of 20hr weeks and you’d most likely have been a solid elite real life racer.

Yet Zwift is full of guys who spend a few hours on Zwift per week, with no visible history of elite racing, often older, with surprisingly large upper body mass for an elite cyclist, who claim to weigh 60kg.

This should be called out for the farce it is.

I recently saw an orange tick rider whose profile shows him looking like a rugby player, seriously the dude is ripped. Yet he apparently weighs 58. I mean, it’s possible, he might be 3 foot 6. I’d say the chance is pretty small though.

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I recently was racing someone with a unicorn as profile pic … heck I raced against dogs, cats, birds and whatever people come up with as their profile pic.

I would not draw too many conclusions from looking at someones profile pic.

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and an orange tick says nothing. You get one if you have a somewhat succesfull youtube channel.

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If it is clearly them, and they look very different to their claimed weight, I think it’s an issue.

As is 275w average being enough to win a totally flat race ahead of riders pushing 100w higher. This isn’t realistic.

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Stick with that thought. Zwift isnt realistic. We never get a flat, we never have headwind, we never have to stop for traffic lights, we go 85km/h downhill through corners, we never crash etc etc.

If you want fair races you should go for the elite races they have on all platforms where weight and height are checked and people are forced to race with dual recording. and even than it is still not 100% sure, as we saw with the Zwift/Wahoo problems in the elite series.

In the races where normal people race you just can never be sure what it is. Even you with all your racing knowledge denied for over a month that your trainer was at fault …

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I blamed the trainer from the start. I knew it was guff, which is why I got the pedals, which caused the whole issue.

What I didn’t agree with was being told to use a trainer that under reports watts above 300 significantly and provides varying and inadequate resistance.

I have now invested in a trainer that matches my requirements.

Zwift Hub one is a great entry level budget trainer. It isn;t right for more advanced cyclists or heavier ones who push higher numbers. Not sure it’s cut out for racing either.

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This one?
ht tps://zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=4693526
or this one?
ht tps://zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=4693422
or this one
ht tps://zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=4693544

I’m not seeing what you’re seeing.

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I think the winners I have seen are not ZP users.

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the winner of this one might be legit (his 15s power is seriously elite), but riding 288 on the flat shouldn’t be putting time into guys doing 350+.

58kg guys with 270 FTP should be getting murdered by the big beasts on the flat, surely?

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Thanks for posting that.
I hated always having to reply to a person instead of the topic.

Has it always been like that?